Hm, I wonder if this will be deleted as well? The two submissions of the Storify article were: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3740378 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3739913 I'm a little concerned/confused as to why. If the apology is HN-appropriate content then I'm a little surprised that the reason for the apology isn't.
Any attention from powers that be coming about this? Still struggling to understand why anyone would bother sweeping something relatively mild like this under the rug.
Hm, I wonder if this will be deleted as well? The two submissions of the Storify article were: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3740378 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3739913 I'm a little concerned/confused as to why. If the apology is HN-appropriate content then I'm a little surprised that the reason for the apology isn't.
Any attention from powers that be coming about this? Still struggling to understand why anyone would bother sweeping something relatively mild like this under the rug.
No, I posted an entry myself (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3741395) asking why the items were being flagged. It got flagged itself- should have seen that one coming...
I'm wondering if there is any information out there about how many flags it takes to delete an HN entry. If it's small enough, it's entirely possible for a group of people to coordinate and remove content that damages them from the site. Concerning.
Sorry, your link did not help me learn more about why there is such a huge uproar in this specific case beyond "meh, someone's always offended by everything." Also, I'd say the said video is a very weak example of sexual objectification and in the grand scheme of things, it actually hurts the cause.
I think you might be overreacting. There isn't a "huge uproar." I think I and most of the other commenters I've seen are pretty calm. You can be offended and say so without being out of control or irrationally angry. I don't think that the two men in this case are evil or something. But they are emblematic of a culture that many here have a problem with. You seemed incredulous that people are offended by the video. I…
I can state the same about you: you seem incredulous that people are not offended by the video. The appearance of the women in the video on their free will is proof enough.
I think you might be overreacting. There isn't a "huge uproar." I think I and most of the other commenters I've seen are pretty calm. You can be offended and say so without being out of control or irrationally angry. I don't think that the two men in this case are evil or something. But they are emblematic of a culture that many here have a problem with. You seemed incredulous that people are offended by the video. I…
I can state the same about you: you seem incredulous that people are not offended by the video. The appearance of the women in the video on their free will is proof enough.
Not at all. I haven't said that anyone should be offended. I understand why someone might not be offended. But there is a difference between not being personally offended and posting multiple comments around these threads to the effect that you find those of us who are offended annoying.
The broader point is that there is reason for some (ie. feminists, or those who care about sexism within startup culture) to be offended. Voicing that opinion shouldn't be met with threats and complaints. And they shouldn't be marginalized as "sexism police" or "screaming" or whatever else just because they state their opinions.
I could care less about Geeklist but from a purely analytical perspective: this is so "how not to write an apology" that someone ought to take it apart and do an annotated version of it as a lesson to the community. It literally starts out in its first sentence by undermining itself. Incidentally, publicly threatening the job of someone who criticizes you (as a tit-for-tat for them "threatening your brand") is one of…
You COULDN'T case less.
Grammar and spelling flames are usually content free posts, and so you may find your post attracting downvotes. (Not from me.)
I understand that people hate the phrase "could care less".
I could care less is acceptable[1] US usage. It's been around for a surprising amount of time. "Couldn't care less" is from about 1946; "Could care less" is from 1960s.
[1] It is baffling and it's not something I would ever write. While I try (and often fail, with terrible punctuation) try be correct with my English I am very tolerant of what other people write. Especially on a site where many people are not speaking English as a first language.
I can state the same about you: you seem incredulous that people are not offended by the video. The appearance of the women in the video on their free will is proof enough.
Not at all. I haven't said that anyone should be offended. I understand why someone might not be offended. But there is a difference between not being personally offended and posting multiple comments around these threads to the effect that you find those of us who are offended annoying. The broader point is that there is reason for some (ie. feminists, or those who care about sexism within startup culture) to be off…
But there is a difference between not being personally offended and posting multiple comments around these threads to the effect that you find those of us who are offended annoying... And they shouldn't be marginalized as "sexism police" or "screaming"
Likewise, I understand this might offend some people. But there is a difference between being offended and attacking those not offended.
And those not offended or even involved with the video shouldn't be marginalized as "sexist" and or accused of objectifying women.
Not at all. I haven't said that anyone should be offended. I understand why someone might not be offended. But there is a difference between not being personally offended and posting multiple comments around these threads to the effect that you find those of us who are offended annoying. The broader point is that there is reason for some (ie. feminists, or those who care about sexism within startup culture) to be off…
But there is a difference between not being personally offended and posting multiple comments around these threads to the effect that you find those of us who are offended annoying... And they shouldn't be marginalized as "sexism police" or "screaming" Likewise, I understand this might offend some people. But there is a difference between being offended and attacking those not offended. And those not offended or even…
What you're saying in no way applies to any of my comments.
Not at all. I haven't said that anyone should be offended. I understand why someone might not be offended. But there is a difference between not being personally offended and posting multiple comments around these threads to the effect that you find those of us who are offended annoying. The broader point is that there is reason for some (ie. feminists, or those who care about sexism within startup culture) to be off…
But there is a difference between not being personally offended and posting multiple comments around these threads to the effect that you find those of us who are offended annoying... And they shouldn't be marginalized as "sexism police" or "screaming" Likewise, I understand this might offend some people. But there is a difference between being offended and attacking those not offended. And those not offended or even…
I could care less about Geeklist but from a purely analytical perspective: this is so "how not to write an apology" that someone ought to take it apart and do an annotated version of it as a lesson to the community. It literally starts out in its first sentence by undermining itself. Incidentally, publicly threatening the job of someone who criticizes you (as a tit-for-tat for them "threatening your brand") is one of…
I guess this is how it should be done yes? Be humble, always give apologies no matter how offensive the messenger/complainer/customer? Unfortunately, not every one has this skill and I hope some will realize that at some point you cannot give in. Geeklist is the villain for giving in and letting it slide downhill (it is always a PR disaster after it hits the fan) but Kane was first to throw the rock. You don't win th…
You're sounding a bit like "you hysterical women" "mind your tone." While I'm all for civil discourse, I certainly don't blame anyone for getting emotional or angry. And, both sides got emotional, by the way. Nobody was being calm and rational, which you could blame on Twitter.