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Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by Jerrrry »

deepnotderp wrote: post #47
Jerrrry wrote: post #35

DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Don…

4-aco-Dmt and shrooms are both pro drugs of psilocin so they’re functionally the same molecule DMT can be life changing to many people, me being one of them, but it’s also extremely powerful, scary, and not always a positively life changing experience EDIT: I misinterpreted what you meant by the 4-aco-Dmt comment. I actually agree that it’s better than actual mushrooms, especially for beginners 2C-B is another less o…

>4-aco-Dmt and shrooms are both pro drugs of psilocin so they’re functionally the same molecule

except 4acoDMT doesn't have to react with your stomach acids, causing other second order effects, which have been attributed to the stomach ache, puking, and body load.

>2C-B is another less overwhelming option for beginners

Yes, sad to see it was one of the first things banned.

Far, far more dangerous phenethylamine (25x-NBo(Me|H|T) analogs on the spectrum between it and Mescaline are filling the void, killing people due to vasoconstriction, and because the threshold dose, normal dose, and fatal dose, are only a relatively and absolutely small difference.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

Jerrrry wrote: post #35

DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Don…

I don't like this post. As a user of drugs when I can get hold of them (and strongly inclined to their legalisation), describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. Descriptions like this are bad advertising at best and at worst dangerously irresponsible.

I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a position to recommend anything based on your personal experience alone, especially when it relates to serious legal aspects of non-legal drugs.

Finally, I don't like your recommendation of mixing drugs (Xanax and acid). For all I know that could lead to a serious interaction.

I don't like this post at all.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by Jerrrry »

DigitalBison wrote: post #48
jurynulifcation wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't recommend people take Xanax recreationally. Benzodiazepines are fraught with danger. It is not something to take lightly. Your experiences are not universalizable. I appreciate your insight, and I'm glad you've found substances you enjoy. But please refrain from engaging in drug exceptionalism. The first and foremost consideration of engaging in a substance ought to be harm reduction. This is not one of…

If you don't mind my asking, is your caution about benzodiazepines out of concern for the addiction potential, the long-term effects (e.g. dementia risk), or something else (or a combination)?

Addiction potential, which is contextually oxymoronic.

Everyone knows Xanax and other -zolams will turn you into a demented zombie after a few years of (ab?)use.

It's nearly impossible to kill yourself with it (benzos) alone, but combinations with any other depressant will synergize and potentiate the CNS depressant effect, until you black out and stop breathing.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by capableweb »

amts wrote: post #46
jurynulifcation wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd respectfully disagree. For the first part, datura is an anticholinergic neurotoxin, a deliriant. Salvia is a kappa-opioid dissociative, without any known toxicities. The important thing to keep in mind with salvia is minimalism. It has no tolerance to speak of, so nothing is lost by starting small, well smaller than you know will give noticeable effect. Then build up from there. (An effect of salvia overdose is '…

Though toxicity seems the main difference, comment above is talking about experience and not molecular mechanisms of action. In a similar vein, if someone would ask a distinguished professor of neuroscience to provide a full description of the exact brain molecular state that "generates" an exact salvia experience (including any communicative content), s/he would fail.

> Though toxicity seems the main difference, comment above is talking about experience and not molecular mechanisms of action.

As someone who has done both, in similar settings, I'd still disagree with this. Datura was devilish like none other and probably one of the few psychedelics I'd never do again.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by Jerrrry »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #52
Jerrrry wrote: post #35

DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Don…

I don't like this post. As a user of drugs when I can get hold of them (and strongly inclined to their legalisation), describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. Descriptions like this are bad advertising at best and at worst dangerously irresponsible. I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a posit…

>describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience.

It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you, and it is literally so overpowering, it is not consciousnessly possible to retain one's ego mid trip (except when on stim+disso's :) )

>I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a position to recommend anything based on your personal experience alone, especially when it relates to serious legal aspects of non-legal drugs.

Mushrooms have a duration 50x as long as DMT, and it's not "my" personal experience, it is the collective advice of those that tread these waters before us, as many will agree.

>Finally, I don't like your recommendation of mixing drugs (Xanax and acid). For all I know that could lead to a serious interaction.

> For all I know

>I know

you obviously dont. Call dispatch and ask what is the procedure for someone tripping on lysergamides - or google it.

A threshold, therapeutic, medically-incentivized safe dose of .5mg of any -zolam will categorically improve one's mood when administered in a safe and relaxing setting - which is the most paramount contributing factor to a positive experience with these substances.

unless the setting is further provoked - many people get angry on -zolams, - in which case, the point is moot; you shouldn't be trying to probe the elves on "bad day" anyhow.

No one is gonna rage-hit DMT and do anything, but rage-eating "organic natural mushrooms" is how idiots jump out of windows.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by Jerrrry »

jurynulifcation wrote: post #44
Jerrrry wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have, which is why I recommend beginners to NOT start with anything above a microdose of shrooms. If you think tripping at near-DMT levels for that duration is something a noobie should experience, please do not trip sit or further give shamanic/healer advice. Shrooms, especially alone, is the worst thing a beginner could start with, exactly because the potency between stems right next to each other vary wildy. 15m…

I do agree with the principle of minimalism. Great idea. Big fan of that idea. People should start low and ow. But holy shit. Please please please stop recommend benzodiazepines so casually.

>Please please please stop recommend benzodiazepines so casually.

benzo's and -olam's are a horrible drug that should not be taken except in the most extreme of circumstances - I compare it directly with electro shock therapy.

But these contexts are exceptional.

Never redose benzo's or any -zolam's, it will control you at a cellular level, that opioids couldn't even begin to.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

Jerrrry wrote: post #55
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like this post. As a user of drugs when I can get hold of them (and strongly inclined to their legalisation), describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. Descriptions like this are bad advertising at best and at worst dangerously irresponsible. I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a posit…

>describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you, and it is literally so overpowering, it is not consciousnessly possible to retain one's ego mid trip (except when on stim+disso's :) ) >I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a position to recommend anythin…

> It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you

(my emphasis). You irresponsible idiot. That's equivalent to saying it's harmless – no drug is, all have risks both mental and physical[1] (mental perhaps being the main one here, but the almost instant 'lights out' of DMT can cause physical injury).

[1] and legal.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by tasty_freeze »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #28
WallyFunk wrote: post #15

I recall Terrence McKenna (everyone's favorite historical psychonaut) saying "It's hard to do psychedelics". I agree with him. These things are dangerous when the set and setting is wrong, or if they're done at an off-kilter phase of your life, or that you simply over-indulge in them. I appreciate the mini renaissance period they're having these days, but these things need plenty of research before trying them. They'…

This sounds like the usual covert anti-drugs post that comes up every time, with sloppy claims and a total absence of facts. > or that you simply over-indulge in them duh. What isn't dangerous if you're stupid. > They're not something you do for a giddy high Weasel words 'giddy'. And I do use them precisely for a high. > One thing people need to do is integrate the various lessons they've gained from tripping into th…

"Integration" is a very common term so it should be easy to read a better description that I'm about to give. My take on it is that integration is the process of reflecting on one's experience and figuring out what it means for your real life.

For instance, say someone is burdened with thoughts of self-hatred due to growing up with critical and non-supportive parents. Although they can intellectually entertain the thought that the self-hatred is due to this, under the influence of psychedelics, they might viscerally feel the truth of it. When sober again, integration means taking that insight and working on changing your mindset to align with that new belief.

There are plenty of examples of the flip side too, eg, someone with a string of bad relationships might, under the influence, really see that they themselves are the main cause of the failures. But an insight isn't enough. Integration is making changes in sober life to change things in the positive direction.

Or maybe your life is going great, you take psychedelics, and you have a hard trip that is filled with morbid thoughts about sickness and death. It can be interpreted as an indication that those thoughts are present but subconscious even in sober life, and maybe it is worth investigating more via conventional means.

Re: ‘Psychonauts’ by Mike Jay review

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Post by Jerrrry »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #58
Jerrrry wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you, and it is literally so overpowering, it is not consciousnessly possible to retain one's ego mid trip (except when on stim+disso's :) ) >I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a position to recommend anythin…

> It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you (my emphasis). You irresponsible idiot. That's equivalent to saying it's harmless – no drug is, all have risks both mental and physical[1] (mental perhaps being the main one here, but the almost instant 'lights out' of DMT can cause physical injury). [1] and legal.

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