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Re: *@gmail.com

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Can you clarify how ignoring the dots is a problem?

To borrow an example from Internet domain names, consider: experts.exchang@gmail.com expert.sexchange@gmail.com Those addresses would be identical by Gmail's parsing conventions.

What happened to Expert Sexchange btw? Did they rebrand? Got bought by Stack Overflow?

Re: *@gmail.com

#52
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Address not found Your message wasn't delivered to \*@gmail.com because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail. LEARN MORE The response was: 550 5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or unnecessary spaces. Learn more at https://support.google.com/mail/?p=NoSuchUser f15-20020a05651201cf00b00500994b137asor3…

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I was still curious about the exact response, therefore I see no harm in posting that.

Re: *@gmail.com

#53
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One problem I've encountered is that usually sites won't allow you to register an account if the email address is already registered at that site. So if I register foo@gmail.com then someone else can't accidentally register foo@gmail.com. But they can register f.o.o@gmail.com just fine. So I mean at my Gmail I have all manner of different Facebook accounts with various misspelling of my email address notifying me of…

LOL this reminds me of a hilarious bug (but only in hindsight!) I had with Discord just three days ago! I tried to login to Discord. It detected a novel browser or location. Sure, this stuff can happen. It wanted to confirm that I was still me and asked me for my e-mail address. I gave it and it said "This e-mail address is already registered". What. Of course it is. It's me. Mine. The one I have registered with you.…

what would be the best fix for this? when checking for dupes, ignore dots on all leftside of all emails?

Re: *@gmail.com

#54
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post #15

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And how is that a problem?

Because its not according to RFCs and how everyone else has implemented it.

There is no RFC about how the local-part is interpreted: even the gmail +tag syntax is an extension some servers implement and some don't. The only way to accurately test equality of email addresses is to send an email to them.

Re: *@gmail.com

#55
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This is a great reminder that Gmail ignores dots on the left side of the @ symbol, which means I am constantly getting e-mail for other people. The “+” tagging was a great idea, but the fact that incorrect address matching has become a “feature” (and not fixed over decades) plus constant spates of spam has made me believe there’s nobody left at the helm who actually understands e-mail. I’ve kept my Gmail addresses fo…

Just one anecdata, but in my case, all of the unwanted signups I get on my gmail address are not due to dots - they are flat out because people input my email address exactly the same way as I would - without dots. I think it's more a side-effect of gmail being "the" global email namespace for millions of people, not because of anything their service itself is doing.

Sorry to nitpick, but I believe that "anecdata" is strictly plural and as such "one anecdata" is grammatically incorrect. It should probably be just "one anecdote", but if you want to emphasize the "data" aspect, I'd go with "one point of anecdata" or more concisely - "one anecdatum".

Somewhat surprisingly to me, "anecdatum" has apparently never yet appeared in print [0], and I'm happy for the two of us to share credit in coining it.

[0] https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=anecdatum

Re: *@gmail.com

#56

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I don't understand how anyone else can register a facebook account with f.o.o@gmail.com if you own it just as much as you own foo@gmail.com.

The trouble is that Facebook doesn't know every email providers rules and which email addresses the email provider considers equivalent. So for Facebook, foo@gmail.com and f.o.o@gmail.com are two separate addresses (and indeed foo@hotmail.com and f.o.o@hotmail.com probably really are two separate addresses probably controlled by two different people). You're right that if Facebook required the email to be verified (b…

That's not true.

I've just gone to facebook

    clicked register new account

    Entered Name, DOB, Email
Now I'm stuck, can't proceed past "Enter the code from your email" and going to https://facebook.com in a new browser tab takes be back to the "enter code from email page".

I doubt they will send any chaser emails but I will report back in some time

Re: *@gmail.com

#57
post #37
post #15

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And how is that a problem?

Because its not according to RFCs and how everyone else has implemented it.

You have to be a bit careful with that kind of argument though. According to the specs the local part of an email address (before the @) can also be case sensitive so me@example.com and ME@example.com could be different email addresses. In the early days of a new system we implemented account email addresses following what the rules really say and making no assumptions. We then spent way too much time dealing with users who signed up with one address but then tried to log in with a "different" one because they had caps lock on or some auto-capitalisation feature in whatever browser they were using. Lesson learned - users do assume those are all the same address and cleaning up a database that sometimes has accounts for both me@example.com and ME@example.com isn't much fun.

Re: *@gmail.com

#58
post #17

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One problem I've encountered is that usually sites won't allow you to register an account if the email address is already registered at that site. So if I register foo@gmail.com then someone else can't accidentally register foo@gmail.com. But they can register f.o.o@gmail.com just fine. So I mean at my Gmail I have all manner of different Facebook accounts with various misspelling of my email address notifying me of…

Doesn't Facebook require users to verify the email address with a confirmation email? If so, the only Facebook spam you should be able to get would be such confirmation emails. Or what am I missing?

In my experience, surprisingly few services nowadays require email confirmation, I suppose in the name of increasing conversions or something.

I've had a number of accounts opened in my address but with different dots (eBay, Spotify, Shutterstock) that didn't require confirmation.

I usually reset the password, inform customer service (who generally don't care, or don't want to do anything because it's not my account), and then I close the account.

Re: *@gmail.com

#59
post #17

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One problem I've encountered is that usually sites won't allow you to register an account if the email address is already registered at that site. So if I register foo@gmail.com then someone else can't accidentally register foo@gmail.com. But they can register f.o.o@gmail.com just fine. So I mean at my Gmail I have all manner of different Facebook accounts with various misspelling of my email address notifying me of…

Doesn't Facebook require users to verify the email address with a confirmation email? If so, the only Facebook spam you should be able to get would be such confirmation emails. Or what am I missing?

It does, i just tested it.

Re: *@gmail.com

#60

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The trouble is that Facebook doesn't know every email providers rules and which email addresses the email provider considers equivalent. So for Facebook, foo@gmail.com and f.o.o@gmail.com are two separate addresses (and indeed foo@hotmail.com and f.o.o@hotmail.com probably really are two separate addresses probably controlled by two different people). You're right that if Facebook required the email to be verified (b…

That's not true. I've just gone to facebook clicked register new account Entered Name, DOB, Email Now I'm stuck, can't proceed past "Enter the code from your email" and going to https://facebook.com in a new browser tab takes be back to the "enter code from email page". I doubt they will send any chaser emails but I will report back in some time

I see, interesting! Maybe they've changed their system. Thanks for looking into this!
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