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Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by newusertoday »

JSavageOne wrote: post #16
Gnarl wrote: post #5

Not signing in "with google" or "with github" or any other unrelated 3rd party. If there's no "with email" then its goodbye. Probably a fine product though...

Personally I refuse to signup just to check out something I'm only passively interested in, and I will never understand why startups do this. I imagine they're immediately turning away >80% of potential customers vs. just letting people try out the damn product

i doubt 80% figure. Email is constant source of abuse and requires additional infrastructure so more and more indie products are sticking to social logins only.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by dooraven »

JSavageOne wrote: post #16
Gnarl wrote: post #5

Not signing in "with google" or "with github" or any other unrelated 3rd party. If there's no "with email" then its goodbye. Probably a fine product though...

Personally I refuse to signup just to check out something I'm only passively interested in, and I will never understand why startups do this. I imagine they're immediately turning away >80% of potential customers vs. just letting people try out the damn product

pretty hard to show metrics to investors if you don't capture any of them

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by DANmode »

osigurdson wrote: post #47
Gnarl wrote: post #5

Not signing in "with google" or "with github" or any other unrelated 3rd party. If there's no "with email" then its goodbye. Probably a fine product though...

Why, what happens if signing in with google?

At minimum, Google gets another data point about your internet and commercial service usage.

Worse cases include poorly scoped auth being used, and the service being compromised in some way.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by DANmode »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #43
stevenicr wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Took a look.. got interested after first scroll. Clicked pricing. It's all per month - no way to own it / buy - it's a lock-in-lease, where "your monthly bill only increases when you're making more money!" Pass.

Looks like Microsoft Frontpage. I don't understand why we keep recreating that but with worse and worse pricing models and more lock in.

Money.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by JSavageOne »

michaelmrose wrote: post #26
JSavageOne wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I refuse to signup just to check out something I'm only passively interested in, and I will never understand why startups do this. I imagine they're immediately turning away >80% of potential customers vs. just letting people try out the damn product

Any product that allows you to consume lots of resources including API calls, interact with other users, or share anything basically needs to be authenticated to avoid misuse. This covers virtually everything. Sign in with google/apple can be virtually painless and only lets them know your email address, name, and profile pic if oauth is configured reasonably and its easy to tell on your side if its not because it as…

Yea but if I haven't even seen the product yet, I'm not going to bother and give away my email + personal info.

I understand sometimes you need auth, but the app could just show the live app and then pop up a signup modal when the user tries to do something that requires auth (that's what I do on my apps)

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by pembrook »

newusertoday wrote: post #51
JSavageOne wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I refuse to signup just to check out something I'm only passively interested in, and I will never understand why startups do this. I imagine they're immediately turning away >80% of potential customers vs. just letting people try out the damn product

i doubt 80% figure. Email is constant source of abuse and requires additional infrastructure so more and more indie products are sticking to social logins only.

Why wouldn’t the abuser just create fake gmail accounts?

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by _joel »

oleg009 wrote: post #15
_joel wrote: post #12

Only works in Chrome/Edge it seems, but they don't tell you that until you've done the oauth and created a project, pretty shady.

its because dashboard works in other browsers too, but builder is very complex

It's a dark pattern having that check after you've signed up. You could easily do this before getting user details.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by newusertoday »

pembrook wrote: post #56
newusertoday wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i doubt 80% figure. Email is constant source of abuse and requires additional infrastructure so more and more indie products are sticking to social logins only.

Why wouldn’t the abuser just create fake gmail accounts?

it is tougher to create fake gmail account than temporary email account in your own domain or using services that provide temp emails.

It also prevents from mass creation of email accounts for probing services as google is likely to detect that.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #33
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer signing in with third party SSO because it's a lower chance of yet another website mishandling my password, though I use a password manager

I personally use a generated email with each service so I can track who shares my info. Sso defeats this method of reverse tracking.

I prefer the split approach. I use SSO on the inside of my home network and for hyperscalers and things like Tailscale. At least partly so I could enforce hardware auth when not supported or sane to implement natively.

Everyone else gets a custom email address.

It’s a nice in-between.

Re: Webstudio: Open-source WYSIWYG adds Radix UI elements

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Post by Gnarl »

JSavageOne wrote: post #16
Gnarl wrote: post #5

Not signing in "with google" or "with github" or any other unrelated 3rd party. If there's no "with email" then its goodbye. Probably a fine product though...

Personally I refuse to signup just to check out something I'm only passively interested in, and I will never understand why startups do this. I imagine they're immediately turning away >80% of potential customers vs. just letting people try out the damn product

Just a screenshot tour would be enough for me to see if I'd want to sign up.
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