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Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by fragmede »

preommr wrote: post #34
CamelCaseName wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would it be fake? If you can have the LLM reproduce the stories roughly as is: Student: "Hey LLM, I'm having trouble learning this concept." LLM: "Here's a real story that a teacher shared with us that will help explain this topic..." (Later) LLM: "Remember that story from before? Here's another story from that same teacher to further explain..."

What stories are you guys talking about? You guys are making it seem like this is a common occurence and I've never heard of anything like this. I've never heard of teachers frequently sharing personalized stories that are also true to help people learn a subject. In fact, the opposite, most subjects like math or physics have made-up problems to isolate and make simple the concept they're trying to teach. Adding a co…

Yeah. It's wild isn't it? Surprisingly, there are also subjects outside of math and physics!

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by tru1ock »

dtnewman wrote: post #44

Maybe AI is going to save education, but the next few years are going to be very rough. I built a plugin for Chrome that helps detect cheating [1] so I've been talking to a bunch of teachers lately and pretty much everyone acknowledges that ChatGPT is a game changer for how schools will need to run. Plagiarism, tutors and parent help have been around for a while, but they still required most students to put in some e…

I hope it will force the current system which favours a specific subset of learners to change. I hope it will evolve towards a collaborative system where learners are not tested as specimens in a vacuum. The current system is all about making it easier for the system to do its thing instead of the user(learner) getting something valuable out of it.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by ben_w »

JimtheCoder wrote: post #25
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decent? These current LLMs have more knowledge than every teacher on the planet combined. I’m very hopeful to see what finetuned models come out on top of the base gpt4 or lama

But is it just knowledge or is it the human connection that makes a difference? Students have access to all the information they need on Calculus through Google and other resources, for instance, but actually sitting down with a living, breathing human being and having them help you through your troubles...to me, that cannot be replaced with an AI. If access to knowledge was all we needed to acquire and maintain inte…

> But is it just knowledge or is it the human connection that makes a difference?

Sense of connection, perhaps.

But AI is getting better at faking that. Even ELIZA gave some people the feeling, though I'm not sure how.

> If access to knowledge was all we needed to acquire and maintain intelligence in a specific area, we would all be a lot smarter...

We kinda are though? XKCD comes to mind: https://xkcd.com/903/

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by mcpackieh »

tru1ock wrote: post #52
dtnewman wrote: post #44

Maybe AI is going to save education, but the next few years are going to be very rough. I built a plugin for Chrome that helps detect cheating [1] so I've been talking to a bunch of teachers lately and pretty much everyone acknowledges that ChatGPT is a game changer for how schools will need to run. Plagiarism, tutors and parent help have been around for a while, but they still required most students to put in some e…

I hope it will force the current system which favours a specific subset of learners to change. I hope it will evolve towards a collaborative system where learners are not tested as specimens in a vacuum. The current system is all about making it easier for the system to do its thing instead of the user(learner) getting something valuable out of it.

> I hope it will force the current system which favours a specific subset of learners to change. I hope it will evolve towards a collaborative system where learners are not tested as specimens in a vacuum.

That will also favor a specific subset of learners.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by moonchrome »

dtnewman wrote: post #44

Maybe AI is going to save education, but the next few years are going to be very rough. I built a plugin for Chrome that helps detect cheating [1] so I've been talking to a bunch of teachers lately and pretty much everyone acknowledges that ChatGPT is a game changer for how schools will need to run. Plagiarism, tutors and parent help have been around for a while, but they still required most students to put in some e…

Is the cheat detection searching for "as a virtual chat bot assistant" text students don't bother to remove ?

Otherwise seems like snake oil thing.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by tru1ock »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #9
akasakahakada wrote: post #3

Current education system is broken. You can't learn anything. Learning need feedback loop, but this do not exist. In school, you hand in your homework, get the feedback only after Christmas. Because human cannot evaluate 100 students' homework efficiently. Majority of academic textbook are trash. Some author even say "we have 300 new exercises in this edition" proudly, while the solution is often either nonexistent,…

I'm sorry, but I've taught a lot of students at the university level. Some of them have exactly this attitude. You're simply wrong. And on the long term path to failure. The exercises are invaluable. You don't get the answers because then you look at them. The whole point of the exercises is for you to do them, and then for you to figure out if you are right or wrong! The content of the exercises isn't in the book be…

And why are they not doing the exercises? Are they lazy? The moment a significant percentage of learners are alienated by the system then there is something wrong with the system. Currently a specific subset of learners fit into this system. The rest either needs extraordinary grit or fail since it is not setup for them to succeed. I for one welcome AI to burn some of our old decrepit institutions to the ground.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by kwhitefoot »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #37
akasakahakada wrote: post #3

Current education system is broken. You can't learn anything. Learning need feedback loop, but this do not exist. In school, you hand in your homework, get the feedback only after Christmas. Because human cannot evaluate 100 students' homework efficiently. Majority of academic textbook are trash. Some author even say "we have 300 new exercises in this edition" proudly, while the solution is often either nonexistent,…

I think it's broken, but for other reasons. In the UK at least, secondary school exams are overwhelmingly about memorisation and prediction of what questions there will be rather than applying logical or investigative thinking. There's very little practical work, you sit in a chair and listen to the teacher or things on the whiteboard most of the time. Also, there's a majority feminine influence in education. All of…

> secondary school exams are overwhelmingly about memorisation

That's depressing. It was starting to move away from that when I did my physics and chemistry A-levels in 1974, had been for some years in fact with Nuffield courses emphasizing exploration and comprehension rather than simply getting the 'right' answer. The Physics A-level had a substantial section that tested the student's ability to understand the results of experiments.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by tru1ock »

mcpackieh wrote: post #54
tru1ock wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope it will force the current system which favours a specific subset of learners to change. I hope it will evolve towards a collaborative system where learners are not tested as specimens in a vacuum. The current system is all about making it easier for the system to do its thing instead of the user(learner) getting something valuable out of it.

> I hope it will force the current system which favours a specific subset of learners to change. I hope it will evolve towards a collaborative system where learners are not tested as specimens in a vacuum. That will also favor a specific subset of learners.

Perhaps, but learners that are good in the current system will do well regardless imo. They are good at self directed, isolated learning which I think is the minority.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by ramesh31 »

asu_thomas wrote: post #29
ramesh31 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No longer will private tutors be restricted to the rich only. This is probably the number one thing that excites me about AI. Throughout all of history, when you look back at famous scientists, there's a clearly obvious pattern. Almost without exception they were children of enormous privilege who were given the opportunities to study and be tutored individually throughout their life. Unlocking that for every child…

You are either being dishonest or you're in for a major disappointment. There's a lot more involved in that "opportunity" than a mechanism for low cost feedback. One's material circumstances predominates their ability to take advantage of such mechanisms, hence why strictly increasing school budgets or teacher quality has never succeeded in significantly improving overall outcomes for children living in poverty. I su…

I think ultimately it just comes down to the ability to ask a question. Googling did a lot for this, but LLM agents are on a whole other level. When someone can just endlessly ask questions and have them answered directly and comprehensibly, they can get past that initial stage of confusion in learning much quicker. It used to be you needed a human tutor to do this. But now an AI system can track and manage your knowledge graph and slowly level you up through direct natural language interaction.

Re: Sal Khan: How AI could save (not destroy) education [video]

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Post by josho »

mtgentry wrote: post #45
logicchains wrote: post #10

One of the biggest factors impacting education outcomes is students per teacher. Students tutored one-on-one learn better than students in small classes, and students in small classes learn better than students in large classes. Because if there are fewer students per teacher, the teacher can devote more time and attention to each student. AI promises to put a decent one-on-one tutor in the hands of every student for…

The “small classes are better” idea has been disproven. You may be right about one-on-one tutoring though.

Source? There are teaching methods possible in a small class that just aren’t doable in a large class.
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