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GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

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Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

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Post by iib »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #41
throwaway277432 wrote: post #33

Is the author still adding the "cite me or pay 10000€" notice to the output? And calling that GPL? And still answering every xargs Stackoverflow question with "you should use GNU Parallel" instead of answering the question? That really gets old quickly when googling for xarg answers. These are just some of the reasons I'll never use parallel. xargs is perfectly fine for most usecases, and it can do everything I need…

I wanted to say 'not anymore', but it turns out that some distributions remove that message. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pa... Debian too (thanks to iib for pointing this out) https://salsa.debian.org/med-team/parallel/-/tree/master/deb... And looks like the author is aware of both: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pa...

I think Debian also does this, I didn't see it when using the latest version

Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

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Post by badsectoracula »

capableweb wrote: post #42
throwaway277432 wrote: post #33

Is the author still adding the "cite me or pay 10000€" notice to the output? And calling that GPL? And still answering every xargs Stackoverflow question with "you should use GNU Parallel" instead of answering the question? That really gets old quickly when googling for xarg answers. These are just some of the reasons I'll never use parallel. xargs is perfectly fine for most usecases, and it can do everything I need…

> Is the author still adding the "cite me or pay 10000€" notice to the output? And calling that GPL? Where you get the "or pay 10000€" part from? As far as I remember, the software, unless told otherwise, asks authors of scientific papers to cite GNU parallels if they used it when writing their papers. And it doesn't force it, it's not part of the license, but asks you to do so as it's academic tradition to use citat…

> Where you get the "or pay 10000€" part from?

Most likely from the manpage:

    If you use --will-cite in scripts to be run by others you are
    making it harder for others to see the citation notice.  The
    development of GNU parallel is indirectly financed through
    citations, so if your users do not know they should cite then you
    are making it harder to finance development. However, if you pay
    10000 EUR, you have done your part to finance future development
    and should feel free to use --will-cite in scripts.
    
    If you do not want to help financing future development by letting
    other users see the citation notice or by paying, then please
    consider using another tool instead of GNU parallel. You can find
    some of the alternatives in man parallel_alternatives.
FWIW some distros remove the nagging message (e.g. mine - openSUSE - has it removed and the patch seems to come from Debian so i'd guess Debian and its derivatives also remove it).

Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

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Post by bombcar »

akerl_ wrote: post #48
capableweb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is the author still adding the "cite me or pay 10000€" notice to the output? And calling that GPL? Where you get the "or pay 10000€" part from? As far as I remember, the software, unless told otherwise, asks authors of scientific papers to cite GNU parallels if they used it when writing their papers. And it doesn't force it, it's not part of the license, but asks you to do so as it's academic tradition to use citat…

https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pa... "If you pay 10000 EUR you should feel free to use GNU Parallel without citing."

I read that more as a “common courtesy asks that you do X, but I’m negotiable - send a check and I won’t care about courtesy anymore.”

Which is a fair enough position to take, in my opinion.

Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

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Post by gjvc »

green-orca wrote: post #34

I'm using task spooler a lot for parallel background processing. What I like the most it the ability to add further tasks to the queue after processing has already started. https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/tsp.1.html

from that man page, there is a name clash with "ts" from moreutils

Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

#56

Post by oniony »

cusspvz wrote: post #53

You guys know that in bash you can use `&` to pass a foreground terminal process to the background and then use `wait` to wait for all the session's background process to end, right?

I've been using `&` to run stuff in the background for donkeys, but had no idea about `wait`.

Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

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Post by akerl_ »

bombcar wrote: post #54
akerl_ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pa... "If you pay 10000 EUR you should feel free to use GNU Parallel without citing."

I read that more as a “common courtesy asks that you do X, but I’m negotiable - send a check and I won’t care about courtesy anymore.” Which is a fair enough position to take, in my opinion.

That's a very liberal interpretation of the reasonably plain language in the notice.

Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

#58

Post by dsissitka »

throwaway277432 wrote: post #33

Is the author still adding the "cite me or pay 10000€" notice to the output? And calling that GPL? And still answering every xargs Stackoverflow question with "you should use GNU Parallel" instead of answering the question? That really gets old quickly when googling for xarg answers. These are just some of the reasons I'll never use parallel. xargs is perfectly fine for most usecases, and it can do everything I need…

It's in current Fedora's:

  [david@pc ~]$ echo foo | parallel echo
  Academic tradition requires you to cite works you base your article on.
  If you use programs that use GNU Parallel to process data for an article in a
  scientific publication, please cite:
  
    Tange, O. (2023, July 22). GNU Parallel 20230722 ('Приго́жин').
    Zenodo. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.8175685
  
  This helps funding further development; AND IT WON'T COST YOU A CENT.
  If you pay 10000 EUR you should feel free to use GNU Parallel without citing.
  
  More about funding GNU Parallel and the citation notice:
  https://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/parallel_design.html#citation-notice
  
  To silence this citation notice: run 'parallel --citation' once.
  
  foo
  [david@pc ~]$

Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

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Post by Matl »

rcxdude wrote: post #50
capableweb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is the author still adding the "cite me or pay 10000€" notice to the output? And calling that GPL? Where you get the "or pay 10000€" part from? As far as I remember, the software, unless told otherwise, asks authors of scientific papers to cite GNU parallels if they used it when writing their papers. And it doesn't force it, it's not part of the license, but asks you to do so as it's academic tradition to use citat…

The author apparently will think less of you, as made abundantly clear by the tone of the message and especially the comments around it in the code

Not really. It's more like if you use it for free please cite but if you're so averse to citing that you'd rather send a gazillion money then feel welcome to do so, at least that is the way I read it.

Re: GNU Parallel, where have you been all my life?

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Post by Matl »

throwaway277432 wrote: post #33

Is the author still adding the "cite me or pay 10000€" notice to the output? And calling that GPL? And still answering every xargs Stackoverflow question with "you should use GNU Parallel" instead of answering the question? That really gets old quickly when googling for xarg answers. These are just some of the reasons I'll never use parallel. xargs is perfectly fine for most usecases, and it can do everything I need…

If you're a startup and relicensing previously open source code under a restrictive license or doing other shady things you'll get plenty of defenders to line up to say 'hey, they have to make a living somehow', but if a single guy tries to make a living via a simple message in a widely used program all hell breaks loose.

What gives?

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