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Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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It saddens me that the Lord of The Rings was commercialised. It was one of the happiest parts of life - to be able to read the books and venture into that world. It's been spoiled for me by the ridiculous movies like The Hobbit (holy god, Peter Jackson turned Dwarves into ridiculous comedy clowns, covered Radagast with birdshit) , the endless licensed garbage and whilst The Lord of The Rings movie was quite good it h…

> It saddens me that the Lord of The Rings was commercialised.

You might note that the author worked hard with Allen & Unwin to have it printed and offered for sale.

If you have the official ‘60s paperbacks from Bellentine you’ll see the back cover is a letter from Tolkien complaining of the unauthorized Ace editions and telling you you should buy only the authorized editions (Ballantine or Houghton Mifflin).

It’s been commercial since the day it first went into print.

Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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It saddens me that the Lord of The Rings was commercialised. It was one of the happiest parts of life - to be able to read the books and venture into that world. It's been spoiled for me by the ridiculous movies like The Hobbit (holy god, Peter Jackson turned Dwarves into ridiculous comedy clowns, covered Radagast with birdshit) , the endless licensed garbage and whilst The Lord of The Rings movie was quite good it h…

> It saddens me that the Lord of The Rings was commercialised. You might note that the author worked hard with Allen & Unwin to have it printed and offered for sale . If you have the official ‘60s paperbacks from Bellentine you’ll see the back cover is a letter from Tolkien complaining of the unauthorized Ace editions and telling you you should buy only the authorized editions (Ballantine or Houghton Mifflin). It’s b…

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Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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I too love the books, I've read the trilogy at least 16 times and the Silmarillion at least 3 or 4 at this point (haven't gotten into the others yet but hope to one day). Yes, the tv series can be entirely forgotten. So can the hobbit trilogy - I personally don't mind if the tone is a bit more lighthearted, the book was as well, it was meant to be more of a children's book after all. But certainly much of the extra m…

Well what are the two major gripes?

The treatment of Sam (and the Sam/Frodo friendship) in Return of the King movie, and the treatment of Faramir as a character. I kind of get what they were going for, it just went way too far overboard imo and probably shouldn't have even been attempted. I'm assuming a bit of knowledge in the unpacking of these below for brevity but hopefully it is not too unclear for those who may have only watched the movies.

In the books, Faramir was pretty much the one redeemable part of the house of stewards. Yes, the ring may be tempting, but I think that was already sufficiently shown throughout earlier moments in the movies and there was no need to throw Faramir under the bus. He was already a relatively minor character in the books, why do him dirty like that? Everyone, both the characters in the book and the readers outside the book, looked up to him. One of his men broke a rule (punishable by death) to save him in the books and from the context you can imagine most of his reports would have done the same, but if all you knew of him was what you saw in the movies, it gives a very different impression. He came around in the end but at the very least he should have done the right thing sooner than he did in the movies.

As far as the Sam (and Frodo) thing goes, admittedly it's been a year or two since the last time I read the trilogy and it's easy to confuse the books/movie in my memory, but I don't remember seeing any signs of contention between them the way it was shown in the movie, and certainly if there was, it was not even close to the same degree. Among other things, I think the movie was trying to show the darker side of the ring's effects, but again, it's already been shown multiple times throughout the movies and they just went overboard with it. Frodo pretty much had the highest trust for Sam (even in the movies this is basically true outside this incident), and would Sam really give up and abandon Frodo that easily because of a few crumbs? Tangentially, I don't remember Sam being particularly cruel to gollum in the books, and that's really the root of this breach of trust in the movies. That entire aspect of Sam shouldn't have been there to begin with, and if it wasn't, the staircase scene would also make no sense to show that way.

The reason I find these two particularly inexcusable is that I simply don't see how they added much to the movies in terms of story or character development. There's an argument for it but it's just weak imo, Tolkien had it figured out just fine thank you very much. I also don't see how it would have helped in terms of budget, reducing film length, etc. I can excuse other omissions or slightly weird things if there are budget/time constraints, you can't reasonably ask for the impossible, I just don't see it in those two cases.

Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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Honestly I think any LOTR fan should be so grateful for those movies. It could have gone wrong in so many ways. At one point it was supposed to be a single movie. It could have deviated completely from the books, it could have been super cheaply made. Remember, the books didn't have a big pop culture presence at the time. Fortunately, Jackson and others involved were really passionate about doing it right, and convin…

Peter Jackson got NLC to give him HALF A BILLION DOLLARS to film the second and third movies back to back. That was an amazing feat. Cameron has now surpassed that number, almost twenty years later. But for the time that was crazy.

He filmed all three together, not the second two. That makes it even more insane, especially at the time when no one had done this and fantasy movies were far out of vogue.

Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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It saddens me that the Lord of The Rings was commercialised. It was one of the happiest parts of life - to be able to read the books and venture into that world. It's been spoiled for me by the ridiculous movies like The Hobbit (holy god, Peter Jackson turned Dwarves into ridiculous comedy clowns, covered Radagast with birdshit) , the endless licensed garbage and whilst The Lord of The Rings movie was quite good it h…

While I mostly agree, it’s hard for me to imagine a better adaptation of LOTR than Peter Jackson’s trilogy. Last I checked, 3/3 are in the top ~15 movies of all time on IMDb! It isn’t perfect, but it’s damn close.

Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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> At one point it was supposed to be a single movie. It could have deviated completely from the books, it could have been super cheaply made. The problem, if you will, with a great but imperfect work of art is that no one else will attempt the same work again. Because it has already been done and it's hard to top a smashing success. If it had been a bad LotR movie, one would be able to hope, probably reasonably, that…

Hollywood recently came up with something called a "reboot". It's where they take a movie that was successful in the past, and remake it with modern actors.

Like that The Magnificent Seven (1960) reboot of Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai (1954) ?

I think that's been going on for a while now:

https://reelrundown.com/film-industry/The-First-10-Musical-S...

Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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Well what are the two major gripes?

One has to be the ghost army wiping out all impact and meaning from the mortals’ battle and sacrifice in the Return of the King. I’m in the camp that the quality and faithfulness in Peter Jackson’s movies were an insanely improbable miracle—lightning in a bottle that we should be thankful happened once and you could never hope to capture again. But I’m still flabbergasted at the decision to make the ghost army omnipo…

I actually don't consider that a major gripe. It's certainly a very weird decision and I'd prefer the original version, but it doesn't ultimately affect all that much imo, it mostly just means the humans did a bit less orc killing in the movies than they had to do in the books.

But yeah, I agree with you, I'm happy it turned out as it did for the most part, some of my favorite movies for sure.

Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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I need to re-read it. I probably finished the last book 20 years ago. Then I saw the films. And in the intervening years my opinion and attitude towards it, and the genre as a whole, has shifted toward the negative. I don’t know why. Maybe it’s just from getting older.

Have you read The Silmarillion, by chance? It gives a great deal of the background mythology of LOTR.

To give a sense of scale, the entire plot of the Hobbit and LOTR is given in at most 2 paragraphs of the entire Silmarillion.

Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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Honestly I think any LOTR fan should be so grateful for those movies. It could have gone wrong in so many ways. At one point it was supposed to be a single movie. It could have deviated completely from the books, it could have been super cheaply made. Remember, the books didn't have a big pop culture presence at the time. Fortunately, Jackson and others involved were really passionate about doing it right, and convin…

> At one point it was supposed to be a single movie. It could have deviated completely from the books, it could have been super cheaply made. The problem, if you will, with a great but imperfect work of art is that no one else will attempt the same work again. Because it has already been done and it's hard to top a smashing success. If it had been a bad LotR movie, one would be able to hope, probably reasonably, that…

The first movie adaptation of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was quite good, nonetheless they're already working on a 3rd.

Re: W. H. Auden’s 1954 review of The Fellowship of the Ring

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Well what are the two major gripes?

The treatment of Sam (and the Sam/Frodo friendship) in Return of the King movie, and the treatment of Faramir as a character. I kind of get what they were going for, it just went way too far overboard imo and probably shouldn't have even been attempted. I'm assuming a bit of knowledge in the unpacking of these below for brevity but hopefully it is not too unclear for those who may have only watched the movies. In the…

> In the books, Faramir was pretty much the one redeemable part of the house of stewards

Boromir redeems himself - Gandalf and Aragorn say so.

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