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The Plumber Problem

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Re: The Plumber Problem

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In the Matrix humanity is enslaved to use them as an energy source. But the 2nd law of thermodynamics requires that any energy harvested would be, by definition, less than the energy of the food required to sustain their bodies. Therefore the plot makes no sense, because they should just shovel the food directly into the computer and skip the humans.

The Doylist explanation is that of course the human brains are being used as computing substrates; the energy explanation is a symptom of how little the Zion people actually know about the world.

It's kind of immediately obvious if you know tech, to the point where I mostly forgot this wasn't the official canon.

Like, what else about a person is of any use to machines with that kind of power?

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This seems to be the case with virtually any profession. You have to just learn to live with it, mostly, maybe even laugh at it. It was damn near a pasttime when I was still in the Army to make fun of how the military is portrayed in film and television. Basic as fuck shit like almost no one even has a haircut that meets regulations. It also makes you doubly appreciate when someone gets it right. We all loved Band of…

> This seems to be the case with virtually any profession.

I think that's why the author chose plumbers instead of rocket surgeons.

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Funny, I got plumber-problem'd by this article.

> In Speed 2, a plot point involves a laden oil tanker about to collide explosively. My wife, native to a major oil port city, couldn’t follow the plot because she could tell the tanker was empty just by looking at it, so she didn’t understand why everyone was saying it would explode.

Wait a minute. Full oil tanks don't explode, but empty oil tanks full of hydrocarbon vapor do.

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In the movie 300, after Leonidas and the 300 decide to march North towards Thermopylae. The valley & mountains in the background are REALLY from Sparta, Grecet. The producers made had sent crews to take enough photos and videos of the valleygt to accurately portrait the landscape. It was eerie to watch the movie (I grew up in Sparta) and see the mountains all around as they really are. BUT (big but here) they march SOUTH while they should be marching NORTH.

When I watched it at the cinema (in Athens) back in the day, apparently there was one more Spartan in the venue and we both stood up and shouted (using different words) something to the effect of: hey morons, you are going the wrong way, you should be marchin North!!

Re: The Plumber Problem

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In the Matrix humanity is enslaved to use them as an energy source. But the 2nd law of thermodynamics requires that any energy harvested would be, by definition, less than the energy of the food required to sustain their bodies. Therefore the plot makes no sense, because they should just shovel the food directly into the computer and skip the humans.

The same thing annoyed me too but not that much--the premise is a bit like a macguffin where the 'why' isn't important.

Pretty much anything to do with physics, especially in sci-fi/space stories. Now I see everything as a typical human emotional drama with a science/space backdrop. Actual sci-fi where the plot directly ties into it is rare, and good ones rarer. It was actually better when sci-fi was niche and what there was, was trying to be good.

Even worse for me these days than this plumbers effect is bad acting. Once my mind gets into the reality of actors doing a job, getting this filmed, and played for me, it's hard to get back into the storyline even if it might be great, like trying to return to a dream when fully woken.

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As for the Gell-Mann amnesia effect, I remember exactly how/when I noticed it. In high school, there was a football game at our school which was technically a trade school with all the shop classes but also with good academics. Apparently there was this supposed rivalry between our school and another nearby trade school. The reports of the event described it like there was chaos and rampant vandalism and some violence. I was there the whole time. At most there was some left-over litter on the field from people having fun. That's when I learned the value of printed words in newspapers. I stopped reading them, except as entertainment or the classifieds.

Software can also have mistaken identity. Something that appears polished, is good software because not only did they make the thing do its function, but they even had time to do all this other stuff to make it look and feel great. The other possibility is that they did that work first, and the core function works just well enough that you can't readily tell it's completely broken inside if you go slightly off the beaten path.

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My wife is a physician and it drives her crazy. It often manifests as a scene like: Doctor 1: This patient has severe hepatitis, we need to get them into surgery stat! Doctor 2: You mean they have an inflammation of their liver? Which is truly the dumbest possible way for a doctor to respond in the real world, though obviously can be necessary for exposition to the viewer. As a programmer, "Live Free or Die Hard", "I…

Or, she could just note the exposition as part of the fiction and its presentation.

Years ago, I used to be critical when it came to that sort of thing, then I realized that I was being critical of something with a clear purpose that's useful. And, that this was just a distraction from the often much more appalling flaws in mass media that can actually have real-world harms. I.e., flaws that give people the wrong idea about how things actually work in ways that can negatively impact their behavior.

"Independence Day" provides some exemplars of that, certainly. It is completely outclassed, however, by: https://www.salon.com/2023/02/05/the-core-science-entertainm...

These days, I see something like two axes, when it comes to flaws in movies (/ productions of any kind). One axis relates to "style" / "taste". For example, some people dislike works of the author Charles Dickens because he tends to spend a lot of time describing settings, preferring the works of someone like Shakespeare, who's typically much more "action-oriented". The other axis relates to factual / logical / structural issues, the worst in my estimation these days being in the "factual" part of this sort of "dimensionally reduced" axis (i.e., you could of course have 3 or more independent axes for what I've written).

I may not have much interest in something that has a style I'm not a fan of, but I only have a more realized reaction (something like negative, and I care to some degree) when the flaws are on that second axis.

She should try it - heh, save the annoyance for something "truly worthy" of it. :)

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Part of the movie “American Gangster” was filmed in the neighborhood I lived in. When I watched it, the breaks in continuity versus actual physical reality were so distracting that I had to turn it off within the first ten minutes.

I’m sure for anyone who didn’t literally live on the block where they were filming, this is an issue they would have never ever ever noticed, but for me it felt very much like a plumber problem and was basically a showstopper in terms of my ability to enjoy the movie.

Re: The Plumber Problem

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As a writer myself: I have actual experts review what I write. That's about the best you can do. I think I read that The Big Bang Theory makes sure all the science is accurate. I wouldn't know.

It's too bad then that the rest of the show was so awful. How can writers focused on scientific accuracy create such ugly and unlikeable caricatures for their cast and embed so much anti-intellectualism in every episode?

> How can writers focused on scientific accuracy create such ugly and unlikeable caricatures for their cast and embed so much anti-intellectualism in every episode?

The show isn't aimed at people they're caricaturing. And it was apparently tremendously successful, so whatever they're doing, they're doing it right.

Re: The Plumber Problem

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post #35

In the Matrix humanity is enslaved to use them as an energy source. But the 2nd law of thermodynamics requires that any energy harvested would be, by definition, less than the energy of the food required to sustain their bodies. Therefore the plot makes no sense, because they should just shovel the food directly into the computer and skip the humans.

The Doylist explanation is that of course the human brains are being used as computing substrates; the energy explanation is a symptom of how little the Zion people actually know about the world.

An alternative explanation is that the machines aren't using the humans for anything; they're just devoted to the most ethical treatment of these billions of people who believe themselves to be at war, and the only way to capture them and keep them sane is to hook them up to virtual reality and keep them complacent.

Every human is a prisoner of war, in the finest possible cell.

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