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What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by googlryas »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #50
googlryas wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I've done both, and I've found parenting harder. I guess that's just my take. Were you raising children or just "homemaking", which doesn't necessarily imply childcare? You really can't think of any activities/interest people pursue that you can't do while toting a 2 year old with you? That's something I didn't think would require enumerating.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37128205

Well, that seems extremely reckless, but good job on not crashing and severely injuring your children I guess. Maybe we're thinking of different types of mountain biking.

And this is also a reason why listing specifics is a fools errand(which makes me a fool), because in the multitude there will always be someone who said "actually I did that and everything turned out fine".

I smoked crack while pregnant, and my kid went to Harvard. See, no issues there.

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by DoreenMichele »

googlryas wrote: post #51
DoreenMichele wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37128205

Well, that seems extremely reckless, but good job on not crashing and severely injuring your children I guess. Maybe we're thinking of different types of mountain biking. And this is also a reason why listing specifics is a fools errand(which makes me a fool), because in the multitude there will always be someone who said "actually I did that and everything turned out fine". I smoked crack while pregnant, and my kid…

Oh, so, nothing satisfies you. I didn't say I was mountain biking. I was cycling on a mountain bike in city conditions because I only owned a mountain bike and I was happy to get some exercise that way.

But you want to insist I cannot be content with my life or if I am, I clearly must somehow be behaving badly.

You also cannot safely mountain climb while imbibing alcohol and any number of other things. Not everyone feels the need to do "reckless" things in order to feel content.

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by googlryas »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #52
googlryas wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that seems extremely reckless, but good job on not crashing and severely injuring your children I guess. Maybe we're thinking of different types of mountain biking. And this is also a reason why listing specifics is a fools errand(which makes me a fool), because in the multitude there will always be someone who said "actually I did that and everything turned out fine". I smoked crack while pregnant, and my kid…

Oh, so, nothing satisfies you. I didn't say I was mountain biking. I was cycling on a mountain bike in city conditions because I only owned a mountain bike and I was happy to get some exercise that way. But you want to insist I cannot be content with my life or if I am, I clearly must somehow be behaving badly. You also cannot safely mountain climb while imbibing alcohol and any number of other things. Not everyone f…

Well, most people do not consider "mountain biking" to be anything done on a mountain bike. If I sit on a trainer in my living room on my mountain bike, I am not mountain biking.

Mountain biking was an example of a hobby that is very difficult to pursue unless you have child care arrangements, whether it is day care, a baby sitter, or only while a partner has free time on a weekend.

I don't even mountain bike. I'm very confused how you're reading so much into the example, and simultaneously not by saying riding your bike in the city is what I was getting at.

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by googlryas »

ta8645 wrote: post #35
oh_sigh wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a whole slew of activities that you cannot do if you're providing full-time childcare, especially for, say, under 5 year olds who aren't in school yet.

There are a whole slew of activities you can not do when working a full time job, either. But in any case, when you have children, you are choosing the family life. Which means some things will no longer be an option. But that is true for every decision we make in life. There is no way to have everything in life, even through the magic of taxation and government "universal" programs.

Except, you aren't necessarily choosing that if you have adequate, dependable childcare arrangements, like a universal early childcare .

It's only, essentially, poor people who have to give up on their pursuits if they also want to raise a kid.

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by googlryas »

itake wrote: post #11
oh_sigh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically one person, usually the woman, gets to not have a personal life.

My sister (a new mom) is loving the community Mom's groups bring to her life. She admitted to me that if it wasn't for the FANGA money, she prefers to be a stay-at-home mom.

Might be true, but it is also an easy thing to say when it is still new

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by DoreenMichele »

googlryas wrote: post #53
DoreenMichele wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, so, nothing satisfies you. I didn't say I was mountain biking. I was cycling on a mountain bike in city conditions because I only owned a mountain bike and I was happy to get some exercise that way. But you want to insist I cannot be content with my life or if I am, I clearly must somehow be behaving badly. You also cannot safely mountain climb while imbibing alcohol and any number of other things. Not everyone f…

Well, most people do not consider "mountain biking" to be anything done on a mountain bike. If I sit on a trainer in my living room on my mountain bike, I am not mountain biking. Mountain biking was an example of a hobby that is very difficult to pursue unless you have child care arrangements, whether it is day care, a baby sitter, or only while a partner has free time on a weekend. I don't even mountain bike. I'm ve…

That link wasn't provided to argue that I could "mountain bike." It was provided to answer your question about whether I was actually raising children or not.

I provided that link as the lowest effort, least argumentative means to show that I have already answered that question in this very discussion. And it's sort of annoying that you are turning this into a big deal because you clearly assume I am supposed know that googlryas and oh_sigh are the same person without telling me that because you already stated it once elsewhere:

Posting on another account because I'm rate limited. Sorry dang.

Yes, actually, a 3 year old and a 1 year old.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37128651

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by dudul »

voz_ wrote: post #7

At one point, I was bombarded by this topic. Reddit, NPR, Twitter, every single voice left leaning voice was beating this drum. Why? We didn’t accomplish universal healthcare, women’s rights are under attack, climate change is unaddressed, nazis are growing in boldness and volume. We, in the left, have failed in most of our latest crusades (certainly the ones in my life) because the regressive powers are entrenched a…

I like that you used the word "crusades". Says a lot about how some people on the left view themselves.

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by tptacek »

hammock wrote: post #9

If it looks anything like government and union-run public schools, not good. For example, Chicago public school teachers get paid more than any other school system in the US (from $60k for a new teacher to $114k for the most experienced) and the schools have some of, if not the worst educational outcomes: in 2019, 1 in 4 7th graders could not read at grade level

CPS teachers are not in fact paid more than every other school system; NYC and LA pay more on average, and if you adjust for cost of living, Cleveland is a better deal. Meanwhile: the big sticking points with the CPS unions --- of which I am not a fan --- are class size and support staff, which are not pocket-lining issues for the teachers.

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by anon291 »

sudobash1 wrote: post #40
oh_sigh wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see "personal life" as much larger than "childcare with friends". Can your wife go mountain biking? Can she attend a lecture that coincides with nap time? Can she delve into a tough book?

> Can your wife go mountain biking? This seems a silly question. During the workday, neither spouse can go mountain biking. Outside of the workday both spouses can go mountain biking. This is true whether one or both spouses are wage-earners.

On the weekends, yes. My wife and I went skiing almost every weekend. Sometimes we take our daughters. Sometimes other family watched the kids. It's not a fair comparison, because I never go skiing during work. Although, my wife has discussed going skiing / camping with some of the moms during the weekdays when the kids are a bit older. So that's another win for moms I guess.

Re: What could Universal Early Childcare look like?

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Post by kasey_junk »

tptacek wrote: post #58
hammock wrote: post #9

If it looks anything like government and union-run public schools, not good. For example, Chicago public school teachers get paid more than any other school system in the US (from $60k for a new teacher to $114k for the most experienced) and the schools have some of, if not the worst educational outcomes: in 2019, 1 in 4 7th graders could not read at grade level

CPS teachers are not in fact paid more than every other school system; NYC and LA pay more on average, and if you adjust for cost of living, Cleveland is a better deal. Meanwhile: the big sticking points with the CPS unions --- of which I am not a fan --- are class size and support staff, which are not pocket-lining issues for the teachers.

The CPS unions have made lots of things negotiating positions in the last few years, from school nurses and social workers to veteran teacher pay scales and disciplinary rights. Classifying their position one way or another is impossible.

If anything the CTU has been doing everything in their power to make sure the real problem, pensions, is never on the bargaining table. They are argument #1 against public employee unions if only because they are so obviously hosing their current members on behalf of their previous and soon to be previous members.

That said your broader point still stands, there is nothing strange about their compensation or outcomes when compared to peer organizations.

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