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Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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Post by elaus »

NuSkooler wrote: post #31
zdragnar wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla has boatloads of money, but they don't seem keen on increasing investing in FF- if anything, cutting servo seemed quite the opposite. To me, Mozilla is like the Wikimedia foundation- they take in a lot of money, but it seems like very little actually goes to the projects people think of when they hear the name. Maybe that isn't a bad thing- surely there are worthy projects they could be investing in, in addit…

I'm confused. I get a new Firefox version on my Windows, Android, and Linux machines consistently, with new features, fixes, and the latest web tech minus the privacy nightmares Google is trying to feed, at a regular basis. How are they not investing in FF?

The person you replied to did not say that Mozilla is _not_ investing in Firefox. I too am worried that Mozilla was cutting Servo development, in a time where Firefox already has a problem keeping up with new web features.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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Post by ladyanita22 »

bitsandboots wrote: post #4

> The love the Linux world has for Firefox is not reciprocated by Mozilla in the same way, and this shows in various places where issues fixed and addressed on the Windows side are ignored on the Linux side for years or longer. > The best and most visible example of that is hardware video acceleration. That's not "Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem", that's "Desktop Linux has a problem". hardware acceleration was al…

I'm using Firefox on Fedora and VAAPI works perfectly fine with no issues. In my experience, it's a problem carried from the past, and not real limitation anymore.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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Post by ladyanita22 »

nine_k wrote: post #17
midasuni wrote: post #2

As a firefox and desktop linux user I don’t see any problem

As a Firefox and Linux user, I do see that problem. Hardware video acceleration is fine now, and apparently has been for some time. But e.g. Google Meet plainly refuses to blur the video call background when run on Firefox. It happily does that when running in Chromium.

That seems like a Firefox problem, not a Chromium one.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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Post by kleiba »

What problem? I've been using Linux with Firefox for at least 15 years, and I've never thought this to be a problem.

Linux is not an operating system for the unwashed masses, it's a specialist operating system for more technical oriented folks. It's less polished in many areas and requires some jumping through hoops at times as we all know. In return, you get a vastly better user experience if you're the right kind of user.

Whenever I am placed in front of a standard Windows install, I'm shaking my head in astonishment and wonder how people put up with that. Yet, if I were a standard Windows user placed in front of a linux machine, I'd probably do the same.

We're just a different species of users. If linux users cared as much about browser specifities as they did about other things, I'm sure they would already be fixed. But the truth is: as a long-time linux user I can state that Firefox is just fine. Really, it is. For me. And probably for many other happy linux users too.

Does that mean if couldn't be improved? Of course not. But show me the software for which you couldn't say the same. Okay, maybe Emacs. Just kidding.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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Post by hollerith »

bitsandboots wrote: post #4

> The love the Linux world has for Firefox is not reciprocated by Mozilla in the same way, and this shows in various places where issues fixed and addressed on the Windows side are ignored on the Linux side for years or longer. > The best and most visible example of that is hardware video acceleration. That's not "Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem", that's "Desktop Linux has a problem". hardware acceleration was al…

Where do you do most of your web browsing, in the host or in the VM?

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

#58

Post by trashburger »

anonymousiam wrote: post #52

People here have talked about Mozilla's financial issues, but so far nobody has posted the donation link. If you use Firefox or Thunderbird and wish to continue doing so, here's the link: https://donate.mozilla.org/

Please don't donate to Mozilla, they have more than enough but refuse to accelerate Firefox development.

https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest...

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

lelanthran wrote: post #46
SushiHippie wrote: post #18

> In an ideal world, the major stakeholders of the Linux desktop – KDE, GNOME, the various major distributions – would get together and seriously consider a plan of action. The best possible solution, in my view, would be to fork one of the major browser engines (or pick one and significantly invest in it), and modify this engine and tailor it specifically for the Linux desktop. Is it really the best solution to crea…

The problem is that you cannot donate to Firefox's development. Donations all to to Mozilla, and if the article is to be believed, Mozilla won't use the extra money or FF for Linux. Hell, in the past we've seen Mozilla divert funds away from Firefox to support unrelated stuff. There is currently no way, right now, to give financial support to Firefox development without forking it.

Yeah this is the issue.

I don't have any money giving Mozilla money to go mismanage.

However I would be willing to schedule recurring donations for Firefox and Thunderbird development.

Re: Desktop Linux has a Firefox problem

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Post by rubyn00bie »

Beached wrote: post #20
marcodiego wrote: post #15

Together, Linux + ChromeOS (much closer to standard GNU+Linux than Android) have something between 6% and 7% of the desktop. I don't remember people saying the same about MacOS when it was around that mark. Of course, we must be realistic. Linux around 6% is very different from MacOS at 6%. In that case, they already had support from items people complain to this day about Linux not having; main examĺes are msoffice…

I use kubuntu as my daily driver for work for a little over 2 years now. I still run into daily issues that just make me not want to use it for my personal desktop os. I fret Everytime I update, yet I must update due to work. but I have to schedule and plan those updates so that when the whole thing takes a shit, I can spend 2 or 3 hours fixing it. Just using the built in update utility, or apt upgrade, or really any…

I’ve been using Linux as my daily driver, and primary OS, for going on four years now I think. I’ve only ever had things break once, and it was because I installed competing versions of NVidia drivers. Even then, it was painless (for me) to fix as booting the machine to a terminal allowed me to “apt remove” that shit in less than a minute.

I had some issues with Pulseaudio but overall they were minor, and now Pulseaudio has been swapped for something else and I don’t even know what it is… because it works well enough.

I’m not trying to say you didn’t experience problems, but your experience is the opposite of mine. I had more problems with Windows than I’ve had Linux. Windows absolutely ruined installs and disks on bad updates I more times than I can count. And the networking stack isn’t dog shit like modern MacOS (I still use Macs for work), plus unlike MacOS I can use a performant GPU to play games or do research.

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