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Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by jpalawaga »

monkpit wrote: post #31

First off, I love Daft Punk and I’ve heard all of these song countless times. But, sorry, I don’t buy it. I am aware of the talking piano effect, but even the wiki page [0] says it’s a vocoder, which is something entirely different. Similar to other commenters here [1], I don’t hear the pattern described for the octave effect either. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Rock_(song)https://en.... [1] https://news…

Switched on Pop dived into Daft Punk[1] and definitely identified Daft Punk's robot voices as vocoder. Actually, most robot voices are.

[1] https://open.spotify.com/episode/52t5WCspFuFkow374P88wA (but also Ep 1 and 3).

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by MAGZine »

Waterluvian wrote: post #24

I’ll have to figure out which Daft Punk song I’m thinking of, but there was this segment where I swear there’s this really swingy chord progression but when slowed down to study it turns out to be the same chord repeated over and over. It’s the other voices that are progressing.

it sounds like you're referring to Daft Punk's "Giorgio by Moroder" from their album "Random Access Memories." The segment you're describing involves a repetitive chord progression, but the perceived variation comes from the evolving layers and elements surrounding the chords. This technique creates a sense of progression while maintaining a consistent base.

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Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by Groxx »

gabereiser wrote: post #46
Groxx wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what the sounds are actually doing though, so what would the illusion be?

the illusion is it's perceived as the "same" note/tone. It's not, and when you dig, you can tell it's not, but when you're casually listening, your brain here's a "fuller" note for some reason. The "fuller" comes from the two octaves being played simultaneously in your seperate ear holes. Like sleight-of-hand, you know it's there but you can't quite discern it at the time and are gladly surprised by it but you know i…

This sounds like it might be conflating stuff like vibrato (human-fast variation in pitch) or even faster. The illusion in the post and on the Wikipedia page involves changing the tone only four times per second, there's no claims at all about both tones blending together or producing only a single note.

Both are quite clear about different ears hearing different things, and hearing two or more tones.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by Groxx »

ilyt wrote: post #47
gabereiser wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people are hearing what you hear. It's the simultaneous tones, one low, one high, low in the left, high in the right. It's not that it's panning (one at a time), it's together (or within ms of each other when mixed with other techniques). Once you understand this, then the concept of just flipping it makes even more sense. Then get creative and flippity floppity the high/low left/right dance.

I don't hear that. I hear constant low tone in both ears with only high one bouncing around (i.e the ear where high is is perceiving low one even if it is not there)

With the Wikipedia sample, I kinda suspect the central low note is the same phenomenon as binaural beats - 400hz and 800hz constructively interfere to produce 400hz. There is no 400hz on the high side, but we perceive interference even though there is none.

Which means it should disappear or produce a third tone if it wasn't an exact doubling. I haven't hunted down a sample to test though.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by samstave »

SpaceNugget wrote: post #33
samstave wrote: post #13

I have a weird auditory illusion that happens to me ; I have tinnitus, and a super weird auditory response thing that happens to me occassionally: So when I cant hear the high-pitched tinnitus squeal (very low volume, but still hear it) - there is something weird that happens which is that I can "hear" some sort of radio station - which plays music in the really faintest and far away sounding volume... The other thin…

I don't hear radio stations, you might want to get your antenna checked. But I get the same sounds when I am laying in bed before I fall asleep and they also coincide with twitches or flinches and sometimes visual flashes.

EDIT: I said "radio station" only because thats what most would recognize... its not a radio station its just a really really faint sound of music playing - like jazz or something. its too dim to make out.

ALSO - eveyone should checkout mynoise.net

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Yes!

This literally usally happens right on the cusp of falling asleep...

I equated it to what I had read a long time ago that "in order for one to fall asleep the body shuts down the sensory systems, and the last one to turn off prior to sleep is hearing"

So I thought that it was caused by the creaks hitting my ears at time of turning asleep -- but it happens when even I am not fully asleep.

But the body twitches really freak me out. I'll basically hit 'asleep' and Ill have a flash in my internal vision (white light looking like an iris of an eye is best way to say it) - and a full body twitch, it jolts me back awake.

The morbid thought in my head is that this may be associated with sleep apnia and my body twitching back 'alaive' after stopping breathing ; however - this happens when I am not even fully asleep...

So I am at a loss - I presume it is a vitamin defficiency, so I just bout some multi-Vs this week...

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by teolandon »

distantsounds wrote: post #50

This article is horribly written and executed for many reasons, but the primary one being that the vast majority of the music credited as Daft Punk is just sampled music from other artists. You can eloquently see this broken down here: https://youtu.be/lBSWw7RdZLk At least get the original works correct.

The article is poorly written, but all of the examples presented are about effects that Daft Punk made and do not appear in the original works.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by gabereiser »

Groxx wrote: post #53
gabereiser wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the illusion is it's perceived as the "same" note/tone. It's not, and when you dig, you can tell it's not, but when you're casually listening, your brain here's a "fuller" note for some reason. The "fuller" comes from the two octaves being played simultaneously in your seperate ear holes. Like sleight-of-hand, you know it's there but you can't quite discern it at the time and are gladly surprised by it but you know i…

This sounds like it might be conflating stuff like vibrato (human-fast variation in pitch) or even faster. The illusion in the post and on the Wikipedia page involves changing the tone only four times per second , there's no claims at all about both tones blending together or producing only a single note. Both are quite clear about different ears hearing different things, and hearing two or more tones.

I’m referring to the perceived sounds. They aren’t blended together. I’m fully aware of what vibrato is and what the post is talking about in terms of changing tone, half tones, auditory phantoms, trichords, and the octave illusion. The Wikipedia page details the phenomenon with stepping and alternating but it’s not the end of it. Various intervals have been tested. Us musicians have been playing with this for a while now.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by eyluo »

distantsounds wrote: post #50

This article is horribly written and executed for many reasons, but the primary one being that the vast majority of the music credited as Daft Punk is just sampled music from other artists. You can eloquently see this broken down here: https://youtu.be/lBSWw7RdZLk At least get the original works correct.

Whatever chopping and sampling Daft Punk does that the author tries to communicate in the article is pretty independent from the original works.

Re: Auditory illusions with examples from Daft Punk

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Post by justsomehnguy »

Slightly offtopic:

One of my favourite comments on Youtube I saw was on some RATATAT song (probably Wildcat?), AFAIR:

"Those guitars are definitely trying to tell me something. I can't get a word but they do sing!"

And if you enjoy Daft Punk but never heard of RATATAT then you def should try, first albums for a more raw and hard sound, later ones for more electronic sound.

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