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Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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https://openela.org

> It will provide an open process to access source code that organizations can use to build distributions compatible with RHEL So they're not trying to create something like RHEL but in a way that is committed to being more 'open' somehow. They're still shooting for the bug-for-bug stuff, and still an effort that's parasitic on RHEL in terms of its substantive development. This whole situation sucks.

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Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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I suppose this is both good and bad. I wonder if Red Hat/IBM anticipated this, and how they will respond to it.

Eh, it's good. IBM didn't want to continue supporting community things and so here we are, the RedHat business model was a bit tricky and increasingly so because of cloud computing. The great value of RedHat was supported software. You could buy one of those $10,000 per seat software packages for some engineering discipline that was guaranteed to work by RedHat and the vendor and if it wasn't they were quite motivate…

It's been made abundantly clear by many people in many places that this isn't an IBM thing.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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post #17

This is United Linux 21 years later. But this time, instead of building a distribution to compete with Red Hat, it's based on Red Hat (in practice, it is Red Hat). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Linux > "No subscriptions. No passwords. No barriers. Freeloaders welcome." I'm sure they're trying to be cheeky. But it also comes off as confirming Red Hat's position. OpenELA isn't about community, it's about having…

Most of the businesses that want to run Red hat compatible Linux probably don't care about any of that stuff. They just want to run Linux and have it be essentially as difficult to maintain as their landscaping or electricity.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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I wish they went for a 501(c)3 non-profit, rather than a 501(c)6 trade organization. The incentives between these two structures make a world of difference.

Oracle, SUSE, and Greg Kurtzer have zero interest in not profiting from this.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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post #27

https://openela.org

> It will provide an open process to access source code that organizations can use to build distributions compatible with RHEL So they're not trying to create something like RHEL but in a way that is committed to being more 'open' somehow. They're still shooting for the bug-for-bug stuff, and still an effort that's parasitic on RHEL in terms of its substantive development. This whole situation sucks.

If you don't want other people using your source code should you be making open source software?

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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I like this solution way much better. Now the only player that's missing here is Almalinux. Maybe it's not too late to make a U-turn and join this new group so that Redhat alone can be responsible for contributing to RHEL as intended.

How is red hat being the only contributor a good thing?

It may not be a good thing to anyone looking at this whole mess but it's clearly what Red Hat wants. After all, their VP did lament that they were doing all this work for "free" just so that the other enterprises can rebuild their product.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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post #17

This is United Linux 21 years later. But this time, instead of building a distribution to compete with Red Hat, it's based on Red Hat (in practice, it is Red Hat). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Linux > "No subscriptions. No passwords. No barriers. Freeloaders welcome." I'm sure they're trying to be cheeky. But it also comes off as confirming Red Hat's position. OpenELA isn't about community, it's about having…

If you're unsure which enterprise linux fork to go with, here is a panel discussion between AlmaLinux, RockyLinux, and Oracle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFMPjt_RgXA. They all lay out their philosophy and discuss the changes going forward. Unfortunately a SUSE representative couldn't make it, but you can fill in the gaps from their press material.

I tend to respect the AlmaLinux way of doing things, but I respect where the others are coming from.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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post #58

Based on https://openela.org/about/ this appears to be a source-only distribution. They do not speak of binary builds (just “buildable”), that's apparently up to the downstream participants.

I'm not sure that's a bad thing given that the previous approach was hampered so much by confusion about where the value is.

If this is a commitment to a set of source then the players can compete on ease of use, support or other stuff.

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