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Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by yellow_lead »

x86x87 wrote: post #34
amzn1691681962 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everyone got the email. Not a single soul they talked to met the "quota" As an Amazon employee who has been RTO'ing 3 days a week like a good corporate drone, I can absolutely attest that this is not true. It does seem like the query used didn't take things like time-off or holidays though either. My anecdote - there are MANY director level managers who are against RTO and thought they could just turn a blind eye a…

You got my attention until the "right a lot bit". What happened to earn trust or being data driven? Imho, they are gonna reap the results of what they sow foe years to come.

The "right a lot" is a cheeky point to Amazon's core values. Probably written by bezos or some other exec who saw themselves as infallible.

> Leaders are right a lot. They have strong judgment and good instincts. They seek diverse perspectives and work to disconfirm their beliefs.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by Abroszka »

ilyt wrote: post #5

"Concerns about privacy" on just "works at office/remotely" is a weird complaint. I'd think even under EU and GDPR logging whether user badged in or used VPN would be entirely fine.

No, it's not fine. It adds a lot of complications and EU countries are different. It's not an accident that this is US only. The main problem is that while it's fine to collect that data, but to use it to calculate attendance is an another question.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by 5555624 »

tzs wrote: post #46
taeric wrote: post #23

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A lot of places have badge in and out readers nowadays. Bolted in during pandemic to "help make sure we don't have too many people in the office for safety." Kept because of course it was kept.

Some way to keep a count of the number of people in the building can be useful. I've seen occasions where someone checks to see if anyone else is still in the building, misses the one other person who is still there, and so arms the security system when they leave.

In case of an emergency -- fire, earthquake, active shooter, etc -- it helps to know if people are in the building. Having been in two of those situations and fire drills, it helps to know who was in the building and if they got out.

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Post by r00fus »

taeric wrote: post #44
tivert wrote: post #26

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> A lot of places have badge in and out readers nowadays. Bolted in during pandemic to "help make sure we don't have too many people in the office for safety." Kept because of course it was kept. I've been joking with my coworkers that we should pool our badges, and just rotate one person who goes in and swipes everyone's badges in, works a day, then swipes them out.

It is not uncommon to have an attendant posted at badge in locations. Such that... this wouldn't really be hard to put a stop to. And that is assuming you couldn't just spot it in the data. As I said in other response, I have no doubt these things can and will get gamed. I don't like the seeming escalation that is implied by this, though. Why start down that slope, if we can avoid it? (Valid to argue that the start d…

Are you serious? You’d need one attendant for each badge-in location. My work building has like a half dozen of these entries for fire reasons.

Feasible in high rises maybe not in the PNW or Bay Area.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by taeric »

r00fus wrote: post #56
taeric wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not uncommon to have an attendant posted at badge in locations. Such that... this wouldn't really be hard to put a stop to. And that is assuming you couldn't just spot it in the data. As I said in other response, I have no doubt these things can and will get gamed. I don't like the seeming escalation that is implied by this, though. Why start down that slope, if we can avoid it? (Valid to argue that the start d…

Are you serious? You’d need one attendant for each badge-in location. My work building has like a half dozen of these entries for fire reasons. Feasible in high rises maybe not in the PNW or Bay Area.

Usually the badge-in spots were grouped at entryways? So, not one attendant per badge reader, but not uncommon to have a choke point that had one. If only for security reasons. Even without an attendant, there would be a camera. And this would present an obvious cluster of badge ins that can be easily inspected.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by x86x87 »

yellow_lead wrote: post #51
x86x87 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got my attention until the "right a lot bit". What happened to earn trust or being data driven? Imho, they are gonna reap the results of what they sow foe years to come.

The "right a lot" is a cheeky point to Amazon's core values. Probably written by bezos or some other exec who saw themselves as infallible. > Leaders are right a lot. They have strong judgment and good instincts. They seek diverse perspectives and work to disconfirm their beliefs.

got it. that's when i replied w/ the "earns trust" bit.

Re: Amazon tracks and targets US staff over 3 days in office rule

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Post by fnordpiglet »

taeric wrote: post #57
r00fus wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? You’d need one attendant for each badge-in location. My work building has like a half dozen of these entries for fire reasons. Feasible in high rises maybe not in the PNW or Bay Area.

Usually the badge-in spots were grouped at entryways? So, not one attendant per badge reader, but not uncommon to have a choke point that had one. If only for security reasons. Even without an attendant, there would be a camera. And this would present an obvious cluster of badge ins that can be easily inspected.

I think it depends on the company too and how much $$$ they have to spend on such things, but generally there’s an attendant at the entrance badge in points. They not just monitor the entry for people hopping the turnstile, but also greet guests and provide guest badges.

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Post by golemotron »

francisofascii wrote: post #15
golemotron wrote: post #4

> Amazon has tracked the attendance of US-based workers and targeted those who appeared to fail to comply with its hybrid working policy, sparking concerns about privacy. Concerns about privacy? Really? They expect that entering and leaving their employer's building should be something that they should be unaware of?

Sure. Most companies track entering/leaving but are not actively monitoring it, Employees become concerned when moving from tracking to actively monitoring.

That's more than a little silly. Someone being tracked has no idea whether or not they are being actively monitored. It's naive to assume that one won't be.
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