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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by reustle »

laurent123456 wrote: post #47
mschuster91 wrote: post #8

I hate silent takeovers so much. Chrome developer extensions are another very popular thing for bad actors to buy out and replace with malware, and it sucks.

That's the problem with free apps. Very few people want to donate, no decent company is interested in buying the app and making it profitable, so all that's left are the worst kind of companies who buy these extensions and apps to exploit the users. All these free apps have value but unfortunately it doesn't translate to any income for the developer so they find other ways.

Couldn't this happen to paid apps just as easily?

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

#52

Post by K7PJP »

cpleppert wrote: post #15

>> It is an alternative to the built in macOS automatic mode which only switches when the user steps away from the computer. Huh? Setting a schedule/location for nightshift and setting the dark mode setting to auto will always change instantly. If you use a launcher or spotlight then a simple one line applescript can change the setting as well. (tell application "System Events" to tell appearance preferences to set d…

In 2018, when NightOwl was released, some or all of these affordances didn't yet exist.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by dingosity »

kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by Astronaut3315 »

callalex wrote: post #41
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #23

> It also tries to open a UPnP port forward on your router, but fails on mine because the key names are jumbled: This should fail on any router as you should have UPnP disabled.

Do you deny the need for UPnP entirely? This is a confusing statement.

What do you actually need it for? I’ve had it disabled for ages, have no port forwards defined and have never had any issues.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by kstrauser »

dingosity wrote: post #53
kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

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Selling ads is one thing. Selling my Internet connection, which violates the ToS of most ISPs, is a vastly different situation.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

#56

Post by K7PJP »

seemaze wrote: post #10
walthamstow wrote: post #6

MacOS pulled it for me, refused to open it Replaced it with NightFall https://github.com/r-thomson/Nightfall

You can also put display settings directly in the menu bar using: Settings > Control Center > Display > Always Show in Menu Bar I'll concede it takes a second click to toggle dark mode, but you also have night shift as an option, and it's 100% native.

This option wasn't available in 2018, when NightOwl was released. I had to test our application's Dark Mode implementation and NightOwl was super-useful then. I'm glad Apple made it easier to toggle dark mode in the interim.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by laurent123456 »

reustle wrote: post #51
laurent123456 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the problem with free apps. Very few people want to donate, no decent company is interested in buying the app and making it profitable, so all that's left are the worst kind of companies who buy these extensions and apps to exploit the users. All these free apps have value but unfortunately it doesn't translate to any income for the developer so they find other ways.

Couldn't this happen to paid apps just as easily?

If the developer is well paid, probably not? Why would they throw away what they built for a lump sum if they have decent side-business and recurrent revenues?

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

#58

Post by mulmen »

laurent123456 wrote: post #47
mschuster91 wrote: post #8

I hate silent takeovers so much. Chrome developer extensions are another very popular thing for bad actors to buy out and replace with malware, and it sucks.

That's the problem with free apps. Very few people want to donate, no decent company is interested in buying the app and making it profitable, so all that's left are the worst kind of companies who buy these extensions and apps to exploit the users. All these free apps have value but unfortunately it doesn't translate to any income for the developer so they find other ways.

And their values are what exactly? They offer something for free with no reasonable expectation of compensation then rug pull by selling out. It’s hard to be sympathetic. If you want to get paid to write code then get a job writing code.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

#59

Post by spiznnx »

TZubiri wrote: post #36
cpleppert wrote: post #15

>> It is an alternative to the built in macOS automatic mode which only switches when the user steps away from the computer. Huh? Setting a schedule/location for nightshift and setting the dark mode setting to auto will always change instantly. If you use a launcher or spotlight then a simple one line applescript can change the setting as well. (tell application "System Events" to tell appearance preferences to set d…

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Is this a common slang in infosec? I've never seen it used like this and it has highly insensitive connotations for me in other contexts.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by kfrzcode »

sublinear wrote: post #35
crazygringo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, usually I associate super-shady things with hiding the fact that they're super-shady. I'm thankful, but also genuinely curious, why they put this explicitly in their TOS. It just kind of seems to be like the kind of person/org who would implement this shady stuff in the first place, would also actively hide that they're doing it. Is there a legal reason that protects NightOwl by explicitly putting it in the TOS?…

I'm not a lawyer, but the terms of service are an agreement with the user, so yes. They're not hiding anything because then they'd get sued. If they didn't disclose "this shady stuff" then the user can try to resolve their dispute via remedies stipulated elsewhere. Really there are several ways they could have gone about writing this agreement. This is probably the simplest for everyone. This is also how the bigger o…

Also not a lawyer. I'd think there's a level of interpretation to the enforceability of a given clause if it's not adequately exposed or is unconscionable in fairness. I'm guessing it's not so easy as clickwrap = rock solid contract.
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