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Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by cheald »

SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #28
em-bee wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have been using brave search for a while now and i was surprised and am very satisfied with the search results. missing image and video search was a bit annoying mostly in that it linked to google and bing but not any other search engines. but i just remembered to switch to where i wanted to do image search instead. it sometimes meant that i had to go back to retype my search query, but i'd rather have a good text…

I'm a little surprised to hear other people having such good results. Brave search was my default for quite a while, until a few weeks after they got rid of bing results. As soon as that happened, stuff just wasn't showing up that I'd expect to be there, and 90% of the time I'd follow up searches with !g or !ddg just to get something decent to show up. The index just felt severely lacking, or the relevancy was pretty…

I feel like it's improved steadily over time. I used to find it severely lacking for anything code-related, but that's improved, too.

It's not as good as Google was at its peak (and Google itself has degraded severely in quality, IMO), but it's good enough that I can generally find what I'm looking for with a minimum of effort.

I run maybe 1 in 40-50 searches with "!g" because Brave is insufficient, for context.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by guerrilla »

qwertox wrote: post #46

I'm always staying away from Brave because I've been confronted so many times with bait-and-switch tactics that I have the feeling that one day they will move away from being good and monetize all the collected data, even though they don't collect data. I'm so skeptical that I'm just now starting to develop a feeling of trust towards DuckDuckGo. In the browser domain, Mozilla is the only company of which I feel that…

> I'm always staying away from Brave because I've been confronted so many times with bait-and-switch tactics that I have the feeling that one day they will move away from being good and monetize all the collected data, even though they don't collect data.

The thing is that it will always get worse. Every company needs to grow in order to stay alive and eventually quality and your user experience will suffer because of this, but here's the thing: Always choose the upstart competition but just be prepared to jump to the next up-and-comer after that. For me, I found DuckDuckGo getting worse over time (probably not on purpose, just spam) and somehow Brave is better so I'm sticking with that, but as soon as Brave decides to fuck me (and they will!) then I'll be jumping to whoever the new underdog is at that time.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by [deleted] »

mg wrote: post #34

As far as I can tell, that makes for 5 independent image search engines on the web: Baidu Bing Brave Google Yandex You can compare their results on this search comparison page I maintain: https://www.gnod.com/search/?engines=p,o,br,n,q&nw=1 (If you want to also search image libraries like Flickr and Pexels, click on "more engines" to select all places you want to search)

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Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by sundarurfriend »

SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #28
em-bee wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have been using brave search for a while now and i was surprised and am very satisfied with the search results. missing image and video search was a bit annoying mostly in that it linked to google and bing but not any other search engines. but i just remembered to switch to where i wanted to do image search instead. it sometimes meant that i had to go back to retype my search query, but i'd rather have a good text…

I'm a little surprised to hear other people having such good results. Brave search was my default for quite a while, until a few weeks after they got rid of bing results. As soon as that happened, stuff just wasn't showing up that I'd expect to be there, and 90% of the time I'd follow up searches with !g or !ddg just to get something decent to show up. The index just felt severely lacking, or the relevancy was pretty…

> stuff just wasn't showing up that I'd expect to be there

Exactly my experience. I hadn't connected it to them getting rid of Bing results, but it makes sense. I've had to use the bang redirects to other search engines a lot more too, to a level I haven't had to in more than a year.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by Given_47 »

ignitionmonkey wrote: post #40
AlotOfReading wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what's different about our searches and expectations. I've been using Brave as a default for 1y+ and I still get consistently bad results compared to Google. The only reason it's remotely competitive is how much Google itself has declined in quality. A recent example from my search history, "doors of stone release date". The author has announced a new novella releasing Nov. 2023, but not the actual book Door…

>I wonder what's different about our searches and expectations. The difference might be that they (including myself) don't ask search engines for facts like "doors of stone release date". They'll search for "doors of stone", find personally reliable sources like Wikipedia, Fandom, Goodreads, browse them and decide on an answer. When sources fail to appear, they'll either refine the search (like "doors of stone rothfu…

Yea I do enjoy that new(ish) discussions section feature. Anecdotally have found those to return more relevant results than the old site:reddit.com in google

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by SomeoneOnTheWeb »

mg wrote: post #34

As far as I can tell, that makes for 5 independent image search engines on the web: Baidu Bing Brave Google Yandex You can compare their results on this search comparison page I maintain: https://www.gnod.com/search/?engines=p,o,br,n,q&nw=1 (If you want to also search image libraries like Flickr and Pexels, click on "more engines" to select all places you want to search)

Shouldn't Kagi (https://kagi.com) also be on that list?

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by sundarurfriend »

user3939382 wrote: post #18

My priority for search is that it’s free of political censorship and weighting. Google is abysmal on this issue, then we had the DDG CEO on here making excuses for his very clear statements about Russian news sources. I don’t need or want anyone else to decide for me what qualifies as “misinformation” I will decide that for myself. It surprisingly comes up for image searching. Google for example has been known to cen…

On the topic of "weighting", Brave Goggles allow you to decide the weighting/ranking yourself, and is a great and under-used feature. The UI is a bit lacking (you have to create a goggle as a github gist/repo, publish it by submitting it to them, then bookmark an unweildy URL that's the link to your custom search engine), but the goggle syntax is pretty expressive and easy to use.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by MildRant »

SomeoneOnTheWeb wrote: post #57
mg wrote: post #34

As far as I can tell, that makes for 5 independent image search engines on the web: Baidu Bing Brave Google Yandex You can compare their results on this search comparison page I maintain: https://www.gnod.com/search/?engines=p,o,br,n,q&nw=1 (If you want to also search image libraries like Flickr and Pexels, click on "more engines" to select all places you want to search)

Shouldn't Kagi ( https://kagi.com ) also be on that list?

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but Kagi uses Google search results. I'm sure it's more complicated than that and they have their own secret sauce but it is not an independent search engine.

See: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/kagi-vs-google.html

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by silisili »

mg wrote: post #34

As far as I can tell, that makes for 5 independent image search engines on the web: Baidu Bing Brave Google Yandex You can compare their results on this search comparison page I maintain: https://www.gnod.com/search/?engines=p,o,br,n,q&nw=1 (If you want to also search image libraries like Flickr and Pexels, click on "more engines" to select all places you want to search)

Nice!

I actually like Brave here for my test better than Google. I typed in a few cities, just wanting to see the skylines and such.

Brave gives me good photos, some stock photos, etc. Google gives me pictures from recent news articles, which isn't overly helpful IMO.

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