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Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by jasoneckert »

I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year (https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-wo...) and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. This is mainly because I've used it on a desktop (Mac Mini, later Mac Studio), where hardware support came faster and is practically complete for M1 models.

That being said, I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi Fedora at the end of August when it's fully released. Fedora has a stronger team and less issues as noted by Hector Martin: https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/109971521711413167

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by gigatexal »

A thousand hugs and thank you’s to the team behind this. I’ve been waiting for this very thing!!! And once more and more devs get this going they’ll be more likely to have more work being reverse engineered and added to keep Linux on the m series going for years and years!

Edit: the reason I’m stoked I because fedora is the distro of Linux that I run on everything.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by chezelenkoooo »

tristan957 wrote: post #24
andrekandre wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how awful macOS is just curious, but what parts are awful? customization? or just generally bugs?

No window snapping.

Everyone mentioning multiple apps such as "rectangle" or "amethyst" doesn't really understand how restrictive they are compared to tools like i3 or sway.

Window snapping, tiling and screen navigation is a HUGE deal. I basically don't use my mouse when programming in Linux and it's really difficult to do the same on Mac.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by prmph »

andrekandre wrote: post #22
alphanullmeric wrote: post #17

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

> how awful macOS is just curious, but what parts are awful? customization? or just generally bugs?

I'm on an MBA m1 running Ventura. MacOS is really horrible:

- I've given up getting the permissions on my folder share (Samba) to stick. MacOS keeps reverting to defaults, with means everyone has full read/write permissions. Network files sharing should be a fundamental feature without hassle. Not I'm forced to read up on how to share using NFS.

- I created a FAT32 partition to share files with Asahi. I also setup GDrive syncing on it. Unfortunately, MacOS keep creating these annoying files starting with ._xxx for each single folder and file (and there are hundreds of them). I'm not sure why.

- I had to wipe the machine and do a re-install to enable third-party kernel extensions to load

- The system volume (the primary SSD) on the system does not appear in finder. I keep dragging it to the finder side-bar, and it keeps disappearing under unclear circumstances.

- I just now got a black screen of death after ejecting some mounted drives on my other Mac, an intel running Mojave.

- When I maximize windows, they don't fill up the screen. Usually they increase in size by what seems a random amount. Most times I have to manually drag the edges to fill up the screen. Even after that, a lot of time there is some small margin below the window that cannot be fixed. it's a small issue, but very annoying.

- And too many other weird stuff to list here.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by fsckboy »

I'm only looking for facts, not trying to stimulate FUD etc: didn't RedHat announce something that seemed to decrease their commitment to Fedora, or was that just RHEL and CentOS type enterprise stuff? (I'm a Fedora user, and I do/would not look forward to switching.)

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by kbknapp »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #3

Battery life would be the big thing, I think. There's not a single person I know who wouldn't like having Linux on their M1/M2 Macbooks--they're beautiful devices--but if you're not getting something approaching MacOS's battery life, then there's not that much separating it from another similarly-specced ultrabook.

The fact that my M2 has an effectively double size battery from my Fedora based Thinkpad (M2 has a 100Wh battery, while the Thinkpad has a 57Wh) means it just needs to be not terribly less efficient than x86 Fedora laptop for me to be happy, which from the sounds of it is already the case.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by sharikous »

NovaDudely wrote: post #39
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #3

Battery life would be the big thing, I think. There's not a single person I know who wouldn't like having Linux on their M1/M2 Macbooks--they're beautiful devices--but if you're not getting something approaching MacOS's battery life, then there's not that much separating it from another similarly-specced ultrabook.

I doubt there would ever be parity but it could be good enough. Have to hand it Apple OS team, they know how to squeeze a lot out of there hardware. A while back I was trying to get an old G5 running and looking at the various OS options, many said just go with MacOS 10.4 - it was the most optimized OS for the system even today. When software and hardware work together, it can be pretty cool.

Yes but to be fair there haven't been a lot of ppc64 machines apart from Apple's G5 desktops.

And the same is true for Apple Silicon.

If you are basically the only one to use some piece of hardware (and you are the one who designed it) your software will be the most optimized out there almost by definition.

This is to say that the focus is on the decision to customize heavily your hardware. Once you decide that it's a pretty low bar to say that your software is the best there is for running on that hardware.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by bubblethink »

fsckboy wrote: post #57

I'm only looking for facts, not trying to stimulate FUD etc: didn't RedHat announce something that seemed to decrease their commitment to Fedora, or was that just RHEL and CentOS type enterprise stuff? (I'm a Fedora user, and I do/would not look forward to switching.)

No, Fedora is upstream. Nothing changes for Fedora. Original CentOS is discontinued, CentOS Stream is downstream of Fedora but upstream of RHEL. RH has taken measures to thwart clones of RHEL.
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