Live data from Hacker News

Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

blockworks.co

51–60 of 370 posts

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he's just out of touch. Here's another example: https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d9y5n/the-people-building-a...

There is a certain degree of that for sure. These people really see themselves as “destroyers of worlds” when in fact they are becoming a but amusing in how they try to inflate their importance on the scene. But the sense of urgency cause by the supposed incoming terror, destitution, and despair seem to indicate these people would almost enjoy seeing it happen. Notice how their marketing doesnt focus as much on the b…

It's something that I noticed a long time ago in various subcultures that focus on preparing for some variant of "end times".

I think that if you've put a ton of time, money, and effort into preparing for a thing to happen, you begin to want that thing to happen (even if unconsciously). If it doesn't, then all that time, money, and effort was wasted.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

#53

I am seeing a pattern here and I am starting to believe that Sam Altman is an Accelerationist: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism A lot of his actions, investments and marketing strategy seem to point in that direction.

He's just "hack[ing] something to [his] advantage."

And pg was his enthusiastic Palpatine. Egging on and fawning over sama was already uncomfortable back in 2010.

http://paulgraham.com/founders.html

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

#54
Imagine sama had put all this energy, capital, and relationship capital into fusion power, instead of WorldCoin. Beyond Helion.

It would be easier to accept him as someone who is genuinely altruistic. Instead, he turns out to be just another self-serving 'tech' bro.

I write 'tech' because clearly this guy does not actually care about pushing technology forwards for human good -- which is the cause, in my view, of all real technologists. It's about himself, just as it is with the great Technoking.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

#55
post #15

I don't think Worldcoin is the solution, but I'm interested in hearing what the rest of you think the solution to the bots-indistiguishable-to-humans problem could look like? Or should we just accept that the times of interacting over internet with strangers you can believe to be humans is over? The only idea I see is for some certificates handed out by government to citizens and I absolutely hate it even in a democr…

Why did we believe that we could build an algorithm that provided trust? We can provide "trust", which is when we narrow the definition to verifying whether mathematical objects have been tampered with, or whether they can be observed without secret keys, but we could always make safes.

Trusting a safe isn't like trusting a person.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

#56
post #15

I don't think Worldcoin is the solution, but I'm interested in hearing what the rest of you think the solution to the bots-indistiguishable-to-humans problem could look like? Or should we just accept that the times of interacting over internet with strangers you can believe to be humans is over? The only idea I see is for some certificates handed out by government to citizens and I absolutely hate it even in a democr…

I think your idea of certificates handed out by government is horrifying, but I agree it seems to be the only way to guarantee that you are who you say you are - even though it comes with several potential avenues for abuse.

I think we'll see two "tiers" of internet.

One tier will be for day to day usage for "normal" users - banking, social media, news, etc. A tier that you digital ID will be used to verify you are who you are, and others can be assured that they're talking to the person they say they are - though there are flaws in that system if someone can get a hold of another persons' certificate.

The other tier would be the unverified internet - things like boilerplate/startup communities, activities you don't want your digital ID tied to, something to still allow people to remain semi-anonymous on the internet if choosing to.

Not sure if this will be what actually happens or if governments just slowly decide to force people to use only the verified internet while trying to access the "outernet" (or whatever buzzword they'd use) would be met with scrutiny and potentially criminal charges.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

#59
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, the biometric information are only used for the creation of the wallet, not the later usage? Then isn't this scam? What is the actual value of using biometric for this?

It's crypto, and it's Peter Thiel and Sam Altman, but definition it's a scam.

What do you mean when you say scam? Are you claiming this is fraudulent in some way?

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

#60
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how, in the end, the ultimate and perhaps only proof of personhood is being a person, engaged in the world. Sort of how the ultimate decentralized currency is encompassed in the global market of rising and falling economic powers. The oracle problem is a problem because there are no oracles. There is only the test of time. Or something along that line.

Exactly, tech is hellbent on preserving our humanity while discarding the embodied world that makes us human. It's a schizoid's fantasy.

It reminds me of that one now-infamous tweet about how an NFT of a diamond is more valuable than an actual diamond since a diamond can be destroyed.
Post reply on HN