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Tarsnap outage postmortem

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Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#51

Aren't these storage prices absurd? Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding.

Don't want to speak for Colin, but every time this is brought up, it's explained that Tarsnap uses very little data due to its design. Probably much less than rsyncing your data every hour to a cheaper provider.

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the obvious question is "why would I use this instead of something else over S3" (ex. rclone), to which I think the answer is ease of use (don't need to deal with AWS yourself, encryption/deduplication/compression handled for you, nice interface), which isn't everything to everyone but is certainly useful.

You need a remote service that keeps backup readonly. You’re not covering attack scenarios if you just use raw object storage from your client machine. I have written about this some time ago if you’re interested: https://www.franzoni.eu/ransomware-resistant-backups/

I'd classify that under "ease of use" - you can do it with S3 yourself (your post is a pretty good explanation of the how, from a quick skim), or you can just use tarsnap and not worry about it.

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#53
post #10

Not to be that guy, but it’s unreadable either zoomed in or in reader mode either horizontal or landscape on iOS. Colin, could the website be updated to the 2010s? :P

It's not Colin's fault that you're using a browser that can't render an html rendition of an email which has been widely in use since before iOS existed. This is entirely Safari's fault for not having good compatibility with a common existing webpage format. Anyway, if you're the intended audience (someone using tarsnap), you also received a copy to your email address, where you can read the text with your email read…

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 is the correct kind of HTML use for the body of plain text email ? It looks like paragraphs of text to me.

is far more appropriate

That isn’t apple’s problem, nor mine.

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious how the prices shake out against services like Wasabi, since it's just dumping to an AWS S3 bucket Wasabi does $7/TB with no ingress/egress fees. My NAS is set up to rclone to it about once a day and I've yet to have any problems

I haven’t checked the pricing in a long time but you can use Tarsnap also if you have to backup only 7.3kb (okay I might ne exaggerating here but you get the drift) and pay for only that much. You can’t do that with Wasabi et al. Also it’s really simple and does what it says it does, nothing more, nothing less. In today’s everything convoluted and bloated world this is a luxury imho. The GUI app is also quite good an…

Backblaze has kept my ‘shutdown two years ago’ machine data without issue. What problems did you have with them (or did others have)?

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#55
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also cost development and ongoing support. You haven't factored that in your 10 times the storage cost calculation.

Sounds like a very poor excuse when competitors are way cheaper.

You don’t really need an excuse when people are paying regardless.

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#56
post #10

Not to be that guy, but it’s unreadable either zoomed in or in reader mode either horizontal or landscape on iOS. Colin, could the website be updated to the 2010s? :P

It's not Colin's fault that you're using a browser that can't render an html rendition of an email which has been widely in use since before iOS existed. This is entirely Safari's fault for not having good compatibility with a common existing webpage format. Anyway, if you're the intended audience (someone using tarsnap), you also received a copy to your email address, where you can read the text with your email read…

The HTML rendition in this case did it’s best to be hard to read.

It’s not impossible, and likely just a fault of whatever list thing is used, but it could be better, and it’s nice if people let you know as such right?

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#57

Aren't these storage prices absurd? Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding.

Since pricing is purely based on storage used, it's very cost efficient for certain use cases.

I've been using Tarsnap for 10+ years. There's some Linux stuff getting backed up, configs and such. It costs next to nothing for this kind of usage.

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#58

Aren't these storage prices absurd? Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding.

The prices are absurdly high if your use-case is storage of large volumes of data that regularly change. It wouldn't be sensible to use Tarsnap for that, and you probably want to use one of the bulk backup services instead.

Tarsnap makes a lot of sense when you benefit from the encryption and (especially) de-duplication features that it offers. For me, all of my most important personal and business data, from multiple decades, compresses-and-deduplicates down to around 6GiB. Considering the high value of the data I store in it, tarsnap's pricing actually feels absurdly low.

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#59
Tarsnap is undoubtedly expensive, but it also donates to various efforts!

Neglecting the pricing, does Tarsnap have any advantage over Restic?

Restic also deduplicates, using little data.

Re: Tarsnap outage postmortem

#60
(caveat: I may be running on old tarsnap company info but) I must say, the ONLY thing that has ever made me shy away from seriously using tarsnap was the prospect of an unexpected Colin Percival outage. i.e. key person risk. I'm guessing I'm not alone in this.
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