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Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

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Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#51

Since it's somewhat related to the topic, does anyone have a recommendation for where to buy USB 3.0 or 3.1 is cords is that are relatively inexpensive? I've gotten burned by Amazon too many times to trust.

These are my go to cables

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093YVRHMB

- USB C/USB A on one end

- USB C/Lightning/micro USB on the other end

- 10 GB/s data

- supports video over USB C (I have a portable external display that gets power and video over USB C)

- 100W charging

- USB 3.1

Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#52

I don't care either. They'll probably fix it at some point if they themselves get annoyed by this behavior. But TBH, very few people will be inconvenienced by this at the current time. I have exactly one C to C cable in my house, and a lot of A to B or C cables. So what if it violates the USB C spec? The Nintendo Switch violates the C spec too. Perhaps they should have made the spec a little more straightforward?

My Switch charges just fine with USB-C to USB-C cables. These days all I buy are GaN chargers with 3 USB-C / 1 USB-A and they can charge my MacBook, my Lenovo laptop, my work Dell, my Galaxy phone, basically 9/10 of my electronics at their max charging speed with the same USB-C to USB-C cable. Which makes these cheap devices missing pulldown resistors that cost a penny or something extremely annoying.

Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#53
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Eh, I don't know...

The author seems to assume the USB-IF is a good thing.

Having gone through the despicable $4,000 shakedown that is required to get a vendor id from the USB-IF, and implemented multiple devices against the outrages that are the specs, I dream about the remote possibility of living in a post-USB world someday.

Yes, I was around in the bad old days before USB...

Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#54
post #17

While I'm glad that they took the time to hold support's feet to the fire over this, doing that sort of thing is almost certainly a waste of time. Seldom will you find a support team who can understand a technical hardware problem like this, and even more seldom will you find a company that responds to this with anything other than "nothing we can do, sorry". You're not going to get the "Wow, that is our bad, we'll r…

Support can’t do anything, but they are often your only chance to get what you want: the message passed to someone who might be able to in the future. That’s what the rep said they would do here. And sadly that’s the most you can ask for.

Then you don't bother with the company and report it straight to the regulators. Losing that sweet CE sticker will make them move.

Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#55

Since it's somewhat related to the topic, does anyone have a recommendation for where to buy USB 3.0 or 3.1 is cords is that are relatively inexpensive? I've gotten burned by Amazon too many times to trust.

These are my go to cables https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093YVRHMB - USB C/USB A on one end - USB C/Lightning/micro USB on the other end - 10 GB/s data - supports video over USB C (I have a portable external display that gets power and video over USB C) - 100W charging - USB 3.1

Okay, but that's Amazon, so they can just commingle inventory with a fake. Hence

> I've gotten burned by Amazon too many times to trust.

Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#57

(throwaway account for fear of retribution) Eh, I don't know... The author seems to assume the USB-IF is a good thing. Having gone through the despicable $4,000 shakedown that is required to get a vendor id from the USB-IF, and implemented multiple devices against the outrages that are the specs, I dream about the remote possibility of living in a post-USB world someday. Yes, I was around in the bad old days before U…

come on, we just got rid of crossover cables for ethernet, do you really want rs-232 again? :)

Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#58
post #14

I have this problem constantly. I have to work with a number of hardware devices for my job (non-consumer hardware) that proudly claim USB-C. But they also are exactly like the old USB-micro devices with a different port and don’t charge on real USB-C. So to charge them I use a USB-C to USB-A port adapter so I can plug in a USB-A to USB-C cable. It’s horrible.

I was kind of resigned for everything to be awful forever. It felt like 60% of the devices I bought had this problem. Makes things like charging these Tribit Surf speakers I otherwise love quite a pain. But I've purchased around a dozen pretty cheap devices with USB-C in the past year & much to my surprise each one has properly resistor terminated CC pins & just works.

I was kind of begging for a specific C-C cable that built in the resistors, specifically for these bad devices. It'd be incredibly easy to make, but what a dumb purpose in life. A 3 inch male-to-female adapter would be ideal, for all these jerk-wad devices.

I'm a bit perturbed but the very excellent power-monitoring AVHzY CT3 device I got recently automatically negotiates 5V, so at least when I go to plug in any of the various problematic devices, they work now. Alas it requires a second usb-c cable to work, plus the device, so it's cumbersome: that male-to-female usb-c 5v adapter would still be appreciated.

In the end, it feels like the real pressure the world needs is better reviewing. It'd be lovely to have a meta-site, that tells reviewers things they need to check for on each product. Slip ups like this should be a notable ding on everyone's name, but there's so many reviewers and so few actually know all the various things to look for. Some progress in solving the review meta-problem - enumerating all the concerns any device-type might have- would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are my go to cables https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093YVRHMB - USB C/USB A on one end - USB C/Lightning/micro USB on the other end - 10 GB/s data - supports video over USB C (I have a portable external display that gets power and video over USB C) - 100W charging - USB 3.1

Okay, but that's Amazon, so they can just commingle inventory with a fake. Hence > I've gotten burned by Amazon too many times to trust.

I’ve ordered the sand cord on three separate occasions with no issues. It’s easy to verify that they are real.

Re: Exway doesn't care about USB-C conformity

#60
post #57

(throwaway account for fear of retribution) Eh, I don't know... The author seems to assume the USB-IF is a good thing. Having gone through the despicable $4,000 shakedown that is required to get a vendor id from the USB-IF, and implemented multiple devices against the outrages that are the specs, I dream about the remote possibility of living in a post-USB world someday. Yes, I was around in the bad old days before U…

come on, we just got rid of crossover cables for ethernet, do you really want rs-232 again? :)

Yah, there are lots of good reasons to be grateful for USB (especially before the fiasco that is type C).

I'm just bitter and resentful about being forced to pay thousands of dollars for an artificially scarce number.

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