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Re: Godaddy just stole my domain

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Post by stevenicr »

natpalmer1776 wrote: post #34
stevenicr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but Cloudlfare isn't really selling the domains- they are essentially registering them and leasing to you.. with the ability and will to backtrack on that. and cloudlfare is no longer the free speech champion they were many moons ago - in fact they have become a 'turn off the speech of those who concern them or others' kind of place. Using their services is contributing to a less open internet.

Do you have any additional information on the first claim you made? I transferred my domain from google domains to cloudflare and this sounds quite concerning to me.

They did a 180 in 2019 - DDG search 'Terminating Service for 8Chan' and 'Blocking Kiwifarms'

Re: Godaddy just stole my domain

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Post by stevenicr »

fomine3 wrote: post #42
stevenicr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but Cloudlfare isn't really selling the domains- they are essentially registering them and leasing to you.. with the ability and will to backtrack on that. and cloudlfare is no longer the free speech champion they were many moons ago - in fact they have become a 'turn off the speech of those who concern them or others' kind of place. Using their services is contributing to a less open internet.

CF is still the biggest free speech champion compared to other cloud providers. They still provide some contents that some people and content holder want to taken down.

Not sure this claim can be made unless we are getting picky about defining cloud providers or how you mean 'biggest'.

They can not be the 'best free speech champion' if they block multiple speech platforms and started to work with gov agencies on how to craft rules to force more blocking, imho.

every provider hosts some form of something that 'some people and content holder want to taken down.' - some more than others - that has nothing to do with the fact that cloudlflare promoted themselves as free speech champions / we are a dumb pipe - into we block and are making it easier to block things.

Re: Godaddy just stole my domain

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Post by stevenicr »

solumunus wrote: post #43
stevenicr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but Cloudlfare isn't really selling the domains- they are essentially registering them and leasing to you.. with the ability and will to backtrack on that. and cloudlfare is no longer the free speech champion they were many moons ago - in fact they have become a 'turn off the speech of those who concern them or others' kind of place. Using their services is contributing to a less open internet.

Source on first point?

their own public posting: https://blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/ for starters.

see also https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/ - read all the lines.

Re: Godaddy just stole my domain

#54

Post by stevenicr »

flangola7 wrote: post #39
stevenicr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but Cloudlfare isn't really selling the domains- they are essentially registering them and leasing to you.. with the ability and will to backtrack on that. and cloudlfare is no longer the free speech champion they were many moons ago - in fact they have become a 'turn off the speech of those who concern them or others' kind of place. Using their services is contributing to a less open internet.

What utter rubbish. Cloudflare hosts 4chan, phishing sites, pirate streams, fake government ID producers, malware delivery, and scammers. If that bar is still too high then whatever content our hypothetical wanker is seeking to host is either very harmful, very illegal, or both.

I have proof, it's not 'rubbish' but truth thank you. (see other comments replied with links and read them)

your statement of "Cloudflare hosts 4chan..."

I did a whois and it says 4chan DNS is CONSTELLIX - I'm pretty sure that's not cloudflare, but I admit I could be wrong on that (I do not know all of CF's nameservers) - (also they publicly booted 8chan, (maybe you did not know this) so similar others I would assume also lost thier ddos protect from CF)

If you have proof they protect the other kinds of sites you mention then it would not surprise me to see them all pulled from CF, they are not the free speech champion they were 7 years ago.

Re: Godaddy just stole my domain

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Post by stevenicr »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #48
stevenicr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but Cloudlfare isn't really selling the domains- they are essentially registering them and leasing to you.. with the ability and will to backtrack on that. and cloudlfare is no longer the free speech champion they were many moons ago - in fact they have become a 'turn off the speech of those who concern them or others' kind of place. Using their services is contributing to a less open internet.

You're wrong, they are doing what a registrar does https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/products/registrar/

I read the page you linked, I see nothing that says they allow registration of domains or won't remove a domain they kicked off their other services.

The page does highlight abuse reporting - from there is a link to a page with a neat graphic that shows some of their services they feel are in a grey area of responsibility (https://www.cloudflare.com/trust-hub/abuse-approach/ ) and hand wavy infrastructure is important blah blah..

but then you get to the next section and it lists a to of stuff they block without a court order (and a couple they block with) -

Now does that page relate to the other services and not their domain registration is that what you are implying?

Re: Godaddy just stole my domain

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Post by stevenicr »

flangola7 wrote: post #39
stevenicr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but Cloudlfare isn't really selling the domains- they are essentially registering them and leasing to you.. with the ability and will to backtrack on that. and cloudlfare is no longer the free speech champion they were many moons ago - in fact they have become a 'turn off the speech of those who concern them or others' kind of place. Using their services is contributing to a less open internet.

What utter rubbish. Cloudflare hosts 4chan, phishing sites, pirate streams, fake government ID producers, malware delivery, and scammers. If that bar is still too high then whatever content our hypothetical wanker is seeking to host is either very harmful, very illegal, or both.

most of what you stated seems to run afoul of their stated "We may block or remove any content we determine":

Infringes on intellectual property rights;

Contains, installs, or disseminates any active malware, or uses our platform for exploit delivery (such as part of a command and control system);

Is otherwise illegal, harmful, or violates the rights of others, including content that discloses sensitive personal information, incites or exploits violence against people or animals, or seeks to defraud the public.

( https://www.cloudflare.com/trust-hub/abuse-approach/ )

Perhaps you are thinking of the old cloudflare pre-2017

Re: Godaddy just stole my domain

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Post by [deleted] »

stevenicr wrote: post #54
flangola7 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What utter rubbish. Cloudflare hosts 4chan, phishing sites, pirate streams, fake government ID producers, malware delivery, and scammers. If that bar is still too high then whatever content our hypothetical wanker is seeking to host is either very harmful, very illegal, or both.

I have proof, it's not 'rubbish' but truth thank you. (see other comments replied with links and read them) your statement of "Cloudflare hosts 4chan..." I did a whois and it says 4chan DNS is CONSTELLIX - I'm pretty sure that's not cloudflare, but I admit I could be wrong on that (I do not know all of CF's nameservers) - (also they publicly booted 8chan, (maybe you did not know this) so similar others I would assume…

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Re: Godaddy just stole my domain

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Post by NicoJuicy »

stevenicr wrote: post #51
natpalmer1776 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any additional information on the first claim you made? I transferred my domain from google domains to cloudflare and this sounds quite concerning to me.

They did a 180 in 2019 - DDG search 'Terminating Service for 8Chan' and 'Blocking Kiwifarms'

That's not a 180, but a business decision when going live on stock exchange.

Still doing that would be somewhat controversial and would be a liability for the stock ( + give a wrong impression for normal investors = not in IT)

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