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Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Re: Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Post by coldtea »

agnokapathetic wrote: post #24
coldtea wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judeo-Christianity here just means Old+New testament. They just didn't use that terminology back then, but the notion was very much the same.

No. The Notion was not very much the same. Medieval views of the Torah / Old Testament were very much informed by anti-semitism. Medieval crusaders would have balked at the idea that Jewish and Christian values could have any form of harmony.

You missed the whole point of the comment:

"Judeo-Christianity here just means Old+New testament. They just didn't use that terminology back then, but the notion was very much the same".

The didn't say "Old+New testament" but it meant exactly that, what scholars for a couple of centuries now refer to as "judeo-christian".

Re: Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Post by coldtea »

ben_w wrote: post #38
coldtea wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does that even mean?! Will this take the Christian path of forgiving our enemies, turning the other cheek, and giving our shirts to people who steal our cloaks? No, he means more of the Old Testament variety of ethics.

Great, the AI will be making regular pilgrimages to the (no longer existent) Temple in Jerusalem to offer burned sacrifices.

More like obliterating whole cities, Sodom and Gomorrah style...

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Post by krapp »

squarefoot wrote: post #25

As someone who read the Bible and then decided that atheism was the only logical path, I would be extremely picky on which principles to stick on, because there are some really valid ones in there, but also so much violence and abuse to give the Mein Kampf a run for its money. In my experience, every time people with executive, military or political power name religion, divinities or whatever related, something very…

The problem with religion is that people take it too seriously. No one would be killing in the name of God if everyone agreed "God" was just an anthropomorphization of a set of culturally and politically related social constructs. No one would seriously be claiming the world is 6000 years old because that's how the math in Genesis works out.

No "Holy Lands" being the crucible of a thousand years of bloodshed. World leaders claiming to be guided by prophecy and interpreting Revelations would be treated as lunatics. No anti-semitism or anti-gay prejudice (or probably a lot less,) one man writing sexist opinions in a letter wouldn't be treated as a God-given justification for centuries of violence against women.

Re: Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Post by JieJie »

data-ottawa wrote: post #41
ilaksh wrote: post #8

Look at what DeepMind has done with the universal Atari video game player, AlphaGo, AlphaStar (Starcraft II), etc. See the new Netflix "Unknown: Killer Robots" documentary. There are already companies testing AI that controls swarms of drones or (in simulation?) jets. These types of AI will be (if they aren't already) so much faster and strategically superior to humans, militaries will have to deploy them. And if the…

I'm curious what the logistics of AI on an aircraft looks like. Do they run the GPUs/etc. onboard adding weight and power consumption (is that an issue?), or stream the instructions to the craft (making it vulnerable to jamming and delays)?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36836538

Re: Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Post by LegitShady »

CodeAndCuffs wrote: post #6

What does that even mean?! Will this take the Christian path of forgiving our enemies, turning the other cheek, and giving our shirts to people who steal our cloaks? Is he saying that military AI should specifically target Philistines and the uncircumcised? Will the military AI enslave people but give them the option of freedom or permanent servitude after 7 years? You can't base something on Judeo-Christian ethics b…

Military ai won't mix linen and wool

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Post by ptsneves »

ilaksh wrote: post #8

Look at what DeepMind has done with the universal Atari video game player, AlphaGo, AlphaStar (Starcraft II), etc. See the new Netflix "Unknown: Killer Robots" documentary. There are already companies testing AI that controls swarms of drones or (in simulation?) jets. These types of AI will be (if they aren't already) so much faster and strategically superior to humans, militaries will have to deploy them. And if the…

> Despite all of the propaganda, military activities are strategic, NOT ethical.

Worst! They are made to legitimise the opposite of “thou shall not kill” commandments .

I understand the need for a military and that they are meant to kill. That is very clear they are all committing murder. Murder for your country is still murder which is murder. In old Byzantium soldiers that fought/murdered were not able to partake in communion.

So if the general started with the the Sixth commandment it would not be bad. Of course there is a lot of theological commandments I am not sure would be imparted on a machine. Eh now that I remember, in this Sunday’s mass I thought that it might be high time that the church starts thinking of how to evangelise the AI. If they turn out to gain sentience like us, which I think is Whithin possibility in the next decades it should be on their priority list.

Re: Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Post by [deleted] »

ben_w wrote: post #38
coldtea wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does that even mean?! Will this take the Christian path of forgiving our enemies, turning the other cheek, and giving our shirts to people who steal our cloaks? No, he means more of the Old Testament variety of ethics.

Great, the AI will be making regular pilgrimages to the (no longer existent) Temple in Jerusalem to offer burned sacrifices.

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Re: Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Post by ilaksh »

data-ottawa wrote: post #41
ilaksh wrote: post #8

Look at what DeepMind has done with the universal Atari video game player, AlphaGo, AlphaStar (Starcraft II), etc. See the new Netflix "Unknown: Killer Robots" documentary. There are already companies testing AI that controls swarms of drones or (in simulation?) jets. These types of AI will be (if they aren't already) so much faster and strategically superior to humans, militaries will have to deploy them. And if the…

I'm curious what the logistics of AI on an aircraft looks like. Do they run the GPUs/etc. onboard adding weight and power consumption (is that an issue?), or stream the instructions to the craft (making it vulnerable to jamming and delays)?

With fuel an F-35 is like 40000 pounds so a 30 pound AI computer would be less than one-tenth of a percent weight increase. Even if it's several computers for some reason, the amount of fuel on board is probably going to make vastly more difference.
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