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There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
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#52The faster humans can get off the planet the better the earth will become. I don't mind all the climate change talk. But I do mind the symptoms curing. The best people can come up with are fucking electrical cars and artificial meat. Because we too many fucking people to serve natural foods. What the fuuuck is wrong with us? I might sound pessimistic but I don't have any faith in humanity as for saving the world. Abs…
The only way any significant fractions will get off the earth is in the metaphoric sense: they died. The energy required to move any even a trivial population people off the planet is not attainable.
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because they are focused on fossil fuels, which are responsible for both CO2 emissions and increasing standard of living, including reduction of climate related deaths. The real solution is to use a better base load fuel source, which would be nuclear, but they're not pushing for that. That necessarily means they are advocating poverty.
It is a solution. Just like wind/solar/hydro/geothermal/batteries are ones. None of which require poverty. I agree, that fossil fuels increased the standard of living, but that doesn't mean that it's/was the only way or that other countries have to follow suit to increase their standards of living right now.
> None of which require poverty
Quite the opposite they require a great deal of money
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a solution. Just like wind/solar/hydro/geothermal/batteries are ones. None of which require poverty. I agree, that fossil fuels increased the standard of living, but that doesn't mean that it's/was the only way or that other countries have to follow suit to increase their standards of living right now.
> None of which require poverty Quite the opposite they require a great deal of money
Kinda. As an example, oil nearly everywhere gets huge subsidies. Just the industry in the US, gets about $10 to $50 billion per year [1]. But those costs somehow don't seem to matter much because oil is the default. At the same time, solar/wind is often the cheapest energy source (even without subsidies).
Replacing/rebuilding infrastructure is always expensive, but infrastructure which is already in place isn't free either.
[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-budget-target-...
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> None of which require poverty Quite the opposite they require a great deal of money
Kinda. As an example, oil nearly everywhere gets huge subsidies. Just the industry in the US, gets about $10 to $50 billion per year [1]. But those costs somehow don't seem to matter much because oil is the default. At the same time, solar/wind is often the cheapest energy source (even without subsidies). Replacing/rebuilding infrastructure is always expensive, but infrastructure which is already in place isn't free…
If solar is cheaper why aren't you building solar plants in China and India right now, you'd make millions undercutting the coal plants they are currently building. I guess everyone involved in energy there is a idiot?
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#56Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…
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#57The last month I've thought about this clip at least twice a week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SYpUSjSgFg
"Once and for all!"
I think of this.
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
#58Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…
Like the boiled frog, perhaps we have not even realized that we are already cooked/doomed.
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It’s not the GOP, its an entire economic system, defended at nuclear gunpoint, by the one of the world’s largest carbon emitters, who both parties reward with ever-expanding, fraud-ridden budgets, while their citizens starve and die on the streets, go bankrupt from illnesses, etc. I’m sorry to tell you, but there is no one in the halls of US power steering the ship away from the worst outcomes of climate change becau…
Yeah the GOP is like the useful boogeyman, but most Dems are no better. Hell, the most powerful parts of the Dems include folks like Joe Manchin, who's right in the bag of coal. Even in a world where Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election and followed through on her policy goals, they were still too timid to turn the tide.
Why is Joe Manchin’s vote more powerful than the other Senators’ votes?
If you need 50 or 60 votes to do something, and you do not have it, then is the 50th or 60th vote more powerful than the other 49 and 59? And what about the other 49 and 39 votes that will not compromise?
Kind of ridiculous to pin this on a party that has not had enough votes to make a change. Especially when the states making the most progress towards reducing carbon emissions are Democrat led.
Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kinda. As an example, oil nearly everywhere gets huge subsidies. Just the industry in the US, gets about $10 to $50 billion per year [1]. But those costs somehow don't seem to matter much because oil is the default. At the same time, solar/wind is often the cheapest energy source (even without subsidies). Replacing/rebuilding infrastructure is always expensive, but infrastructure which is already in place isn't free…
If solar is cheaper why aren't you building solar plants in China and India right now, you'd make millions undercutting the coal plants they are currently building. I guess everyone involved in energy there is a idiot?
If I had the money I would. But don't worry other people (idiots apperently) are. China and India are both some of the leading countries in added solar and wind capacity.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_by_country [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_by_country