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Well no...not guinea pigs. But correct conceptually - if it's opt-in only and perfectly transparent to everyone what is happening, which in this specific case of Aria it absolutely is. If we want to make machines with equivalent or better capacity as humans we have to transfer the process for scientific discovery, including the sum of our cognitive capacity and knowledge to them. If you quantize human adult-infant in…

Is that model (parents giving labeled input and affecting some weights in the child’s head with reinforcement) really a good fit for the reality of how people learn to do things? It’s my understanding (though I haven’t looked at the primary sources myself) that one of the facts that inspired Chomsky’s language theories and work for instance, was that when you quantify the information communicated by parents to langua…

So this is extremely complicated and nuanced with respect to intelligence acquisition, and I don’t think there’s a definitive right or wrong answer.

I certainly acknowledge my own bias with this however, with respect to what Chomsky discusses, I make the distinction that most of the “code/data/information” that you need in order for the language capacity to develop is actually embedded in our biological mechanical systems. That is to say, if you were to take a human infant and never expose it to another human with respect to generating sounds for language, the infant would still develop some sort of sound based communication system. We see this with feral children, mute children, deaf children. They still have a verbal function, even if it’s not connected to any semblance of coherency.

So in that sense it’s like you’re given all of the building blocks for language out of the gate biologically and then the people who are around you tell you how to assemble them into some thing that is functional. This is why different languages have different rules yet language acquisition is consistent across cultures.

This is why I am insistent on holistically understanding the computing infrastructure and systems because the sensors processors, etc. are the equivalent to our cells, genes muscles, bones, etc. Most people don’t think about computing systems and generally intelligent systems this way.

If you go back and look at the work of wiener and early Cybernetics it does discuss a lot of this, however, after Cybernetics was absorbed into artificial intelligence, which was an absorbed into computer science, it doesn’t really look holistically at systems of systems, unfortunately, in the general case.

And I would argue that all of machine learning currently is very much moving in to the direction that I am describing where is exposure to frequency of correlated data that gives you your effective understanding of the world, and being able to predict the future state. That’s what I mean when I say multi-modal is “sequential and consistent in time” with respect to causal action.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well no...not guinea pigs. But correct conceptually - if it's opt-in only and perfectly transparent to everyone what is happening, which in this specific case of Aria it absolutely is. If we want to make machines with equivalent or better capacity as humans we have to transfer the process for scientific discovery, including the sum of our cognitive capacity and knowledge to them. If you quantize human adult-infant in…

But what about observer effects? People act differently when recorded, and rarely do we catch humans acting natural when knowingly observed (some of the early 24h/day Twitch streamers come to mind). And what happens once trials are done? How would people feel about their actions becoming part of a technology potentially able to replace them? Even when this barrier can be overcome (i.e. people become accustomed to wea…

This is a great point and why, I advocate so vociferously thatall of these systems and future organizations that are going this direction should be cooperatively owned, based on mutual voluntary Democratic principles, rather than owned by a small subset of wealthy individuals in your standard business construct.

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But what about observer effects? People act differently when recorded, and rarely do we catch humans acting natural when knowingly observed (some of the early 24h/day Twitch streamers come to mind). And what happens once trials are done? How would people feel about their actions becoming part of a technology potentially able to replace them? Even when this barrier can be overcome (i.e. people become accustomed to wea…

This is a great point and why, I advocate so vociferously thatall of these systems and future organizations that are going this direction should be cooperatively owned, based on mutual voluntary Democratic principles, rather than owned by a small subset of wealthy individuals in your standard business construct.

That would be a welcome future, indeed. And hopefully, not just upheld in some regions of the world, but everywhere where AR-backed AGI gets off the ground. And this governing structure would need to work for some decades at least. Which would be quite a feat.

That still leaves my first question regarding observer effects and how people would respond to such a technology on an individual level. It would have the capacity to reshape behaviour towards preferential and/or optimal interactions, would it not? Seeing how we do not want reinforce models with 'erroneous' interactions?

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Did you just take a problem that free market tech created and blame it on the government? ;) User agent sovereignty would be nice... except the most used browser and 1/2 of smartphones are controlled by Google, the largest ad tracking company on the planet. We're way past the 90s.

Is it the time of the day where I make Brave advocacy again? Brave has shown that we can have an user agent that is aligned with the user, even if the browser engine is made by Google.

The same Brave that is selling data for AI companies, which may or may not include personal data ?

I'd say it's probably not a good day for Brave advocacy. Neither is any other day.

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Learned helplessness. Teach the citizens that the only thing protecting them from the Big Scary Internet is their benevolent government. Meanwhile the politicians collect millions from the mass media companies that lobbied for the god-awful implementation of the law we all ended up with, and as everyone gets worn down into Accepting All always, they simultaneously forget that their User Agent holds all the cards (or…

Aside from what ethbr0 said, which I agree, that you're blaming the victim, I want to address the "learned helplessness" idea. I heard recently that's actually wrong. We are born helpless, and learning to take control. The helplessness is innate, and we learn to overcome it. In democracy, the innate helplessness of citizens is overcome by learning to participate in governance - activism, elections, public functions a…

Please don’t tell me you’re unironically arguing “learned helplessness” doesn’t exist because you “learned” you’re born “helpless” and the only path to actualizing change as an individual is through the official government sanctioned mechanisms… because if that is your honest argument… wow.

For reference, in my experience, the public works projects that get front page news coverage with tons of anecdotes from locals about how incredibly helpful and long-needed the installation was, are those that were completely unsanctioned.

And the only path to substantial policy change in all of history has always been violent revolution.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

This one is tame compared with a whole industry of "data privacy" popups which hide "Legitimate Interest" opt-outs within Vendor lists containing hundreds of entries. Someone needs to slap some serious lawsuits on these gangsters.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Learned helplessness. Teach the citizens that the only thing protecting them from the Big Scary Internet is their benevolent government. Meanwhile the politicians collect millions from the mass media companies that lobbied for the god-awful implementation of the law we all ended up with, and as everyone gets worn down into Accepting All always, they simultaneously forget that their User Agent holds all the cards (or…

Did you just take a problem that free market tech created and blame it on the government? ;) User agent sovereignty would be nice... except the most used browser and 1/2 of smartphones are controlled by Google, the largest ad tracking company on the planet. We're way past the 90s.

Google, the same company that provides a litany of fine grained cookie retention options in its User Agent’s options page? Except thanks to the government’s antagonistic policies (read: big-media’s lobbying) those are useless as you need to keep on clicking the damn pop ups every time you visit a page “anew”.

Also never forget we already had a perfectly good solution in the form of Do Not Track headers that a benevolent governing body would have simply mandated abiding by. Instead we have this shithole.

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While acknowledging the utility of this kind of object/environment mapping in AR applications - the privacy obliteration is stark.

Yes, and it scares the shit out of me. Now. Facebook, the company that nobody trusts to do this sort of thing, is going to have to really work hard to demonstrate that they are to be trusted with this data. Apple, and to a lesser extent google, don't. That cool startup could get away with lots of things, so long as people like the product. Fortunately for us, AR glasses are limited by power consumption, this means th…

I think you underestimate the power consumption of streaming video compared to what a VR headset already does. I mean, they already Chromecast the feed if you so choose.

I will say that Meta is fairly aware of their reputation. The TOS is clear that they do not upload or share any video capture and they seem committed to it. As it is now, all the scene understanding is done on device.

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Then why does the banner say? >We use cookies to personalise and improve content and services, deliver relevant advertisements and increase the safety of our users

It’s probably the default language for the company. Technical, t he at allows them to have tracking cookies even if they don’t have them now

Language is all that matters when it comes to law. It's a blatant violation of GDPR.
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