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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by happymellon »

haswell wrote: post #27
dsauerbrun wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pretty sure chrome has had tab grouping for over a year now

Container tabs isolate sessions. I don’t think tab grouping is related. Firefox allows you to create/manage multiple containers, and set up rules to assign specific sites to specific containers if desired. I think the closest feature in Chrome is the ability to create multiple profiles, but this is less flexible/ergonomic IMO.

In some ways profiles works better, and in others container tabs does.

I have two password managers, one for work and one for home. Multiple profiles lets me work with both.

Container tabs lets me log into a site multiple times, or when they have a session cookie that prevents me from navigating to two different flows.

Both great, both fill completely different niches.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by causi »

insanitybit wrote: post #30
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #28

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> Chrome still feels snappier I actually tested this and Firefox is significantly faster in rendering CSS and tables. (Not sure about complex Javascript.) Chrome's snappiness is mostly UI smoke and mirrors, actual sites load faster for me in Firefox.

Maybe FF should take some tips on those UI "smoke and mirrors". What feels faster is what users are going to go off of. For example, a page that fully loads in 1 second vs a page that incrementally loads in 1.5 seconds - the latter may feel faster because the time to start loading is faster.

Not to mention that the things the user wants to see are probably early in the load order and all the worthless garbage is coming in later.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

bayindirh wrote: post #48
xd1936 wrote: post #8

I've used Firefox as my primary browser since the "Quantum" in 2017. Chrome still feels snappier, but Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing.

Chrome's most of the snappiness is coming from how it handles the DNS queries internally from my experience. Pair Firefox with a fast DNS, and it's noticably faster than Chrome, for the last 3 years or so. I discovered it accidentally, after switching to local DNS at the office. We run one of the nation-wide ones in a pretty close proximity in network terms.

which is a fast DNS? 1.1.1.1 ? I thought the OS caches DNS anyway, so shouldn't matter much in day to day browsing.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by sanxiyn »

xd1936 wrote: post #8

I've used Firefox as my primary browser since the "Quantum" in 2017. Chrome still feels snappier, but Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing.

Chrome has better network stack. For most other things Firefox is faster, but of course, network is the most important.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by tux3 »

chaxor wrote: post #49
rewmie wrote: post #34

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> (...) but Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing. Are you referring to Firefox's multi-account containers extension? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers

This is indeed fantastic, but paired with container proxies, it's awesome. You can send a few tabs through one socks proxy, a few through another, all while segmenting that from work, personal, etc. if you have a vpn for one work location and different ones for other work.

I'm just starting to use this, I have a VPN that I put in a network namespace along with a local `danted` socks proxy, so it doesn't disturb the rest of the system

It's amazing how well it works!

I just set a few glob rules on the URLs I need proxied and I don't have to think about it anymore :)

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by bayindirh »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #53
bayindirh wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome's most of the snappiness is coming from how it handles the DNS queries internally from my experience. Pair Firefox with a fast DNS, and it's noticably faster than Chrome, for the last 3 years or so. I discovered it accidentally, after switching to local DNS at the office. We run one of the nation-wide ones in a pretty close proximity in network terms.

which is a fast DNS? 1.1.1.1 ? I thought the OS caches DNS anyway, so shouldn't matter much in day to day browsing.

Anything you can "time nslookup" in or under 0.03 seconds (in "real" terms).

From my desk:

    local one - 0.029 seconds
    1.1.1.1 - 0.035 seconds
    8.8.8.8 - 0.120 seconds
Normally it should be, but Firefox's behavior is very sensitive to DNS response speed. Sounds not intuitive, but I think they're not using glibc's caching, or doing something by themselves.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by justinclift »

Avamander wrote: post #16
londons_explore wrote: post #11

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Try clearing your profile. Turns out having years of history, extensions, and a multi-gigabyte cache makes any browser slow.

Chrome automatically prunes history for quite a while now. Which I personally dislike, as I sometimes need to find something I visited a long time ago.

Firefox does the same thing too unfortunately, and it doesn't seem like it can be turned off.

It's a real pita for the same reason. Needed to look at browser history older than a few months and discovering it's all been deleted (by Firefox) was a very unpleasant experience.

Seems to be a needless data loss "optimisation" (sic), but I have no idea what the real world use case for that would be.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by systems_glitch »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

I used to keep Chrome installed just for the dev tools, but the Firefox dev tools became good enough in probably 2013 or so.
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