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Re: Last week was the hottest ever recorded – here’s why we keep smashing records

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Post by gottorf » Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 7:29 PM UTC

bobsmooth wrote: post #38

gottorf wrote: post #22

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We get it, you're rich and in a developed country. You will be the last person to be affected by climate change.

On the contrary, people in poor countries with unstable governance will be the most affected by the centralization of power required for the climate undertaking.

I posit that long term, more people globally will be harmed by politicians short-circuiting the democratic process to combat the climate "emergency" than by the changing climate itself. The latter is showcased by the fact that in the 50 years from 1970 to 2019, climate-related deaths went to a third, even as the world population more than doubled[0]. That's one-third in absolute number, not per capita!

[0]: https://library.wmo.int/doc_num.php?explnum_id=10989

Re: Last week was the hottest ever recorded – here’s why we keep smashing records

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Post by nerdchum » Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 7:55 PM UTC

kkielhofner wrote: post #36

I'd like to say politics could be avoided on this but not knowing anything about the science, historical stats, etc I've always had a simple nagging question on this issue that hopefully someone can help me understand. Elementary school science classes teach basic cause and effect. My question is: How is it possible the planet can be billions of years old, then all of a sudden we discover fossil fuels in the past few…

Everyone is so sensational about climate change but never looks at Earth's history.

Were at the tail end of an ice age.

For most of Earth's history, there were no polar ice caps.

For 400 out of 500 million years the earth was warmer than it is now.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hotte...

https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_widt...

Re: Last week was the hottest ever recorded – here’s why we keep smashing records

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Post by ldehaan » Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 7:58 PM UTC

kkielhofner wrote: post #36

I'd like to say politics could be avoided on this but not knowing anything about the science, historical stats, etc I've always had a simple nagging question on this issue that hopefully someone can help me understand. Elementary school science classes teach basic cause and effect. My question is: How is it possible the planet can be billions of years old, then all of a sudden we discover fossil fuels in the past few…

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Re: Last week was the hottest ever recorded – here’s why we keep smashing records

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Post by talldatethrow » Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 9:36 PM UTC

terminatornet wrote: post #46

talldatethrow wrote: post #33

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There is a hotel in Death Valley. People stay there when it's 125. If your home town gets 3 degrees hotter, I think you'll figure it out.

looking forward to all of the crops and livestock i need to stay alive figuring it out!

Your area might no longer be ideal. The area that was a little too cool will become ideal. Technically more people die per year from cold than heat. Why do you want more people to die?? /Slight sarc

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Post by ShellfishMeme » Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 9:46 PM UTC

nerdchum wrote: post #52

kkielhofner wrote: post #36

I'd like to say politics could be avoided on this but not knowing anything about the science, historical stats, etc I've always had a simple nagging question on this issue that hopefully someone can help me understand. Elementary school science classes teach basic cause and effect. My question is: How is it possible the planet can be billions of years old, then all of a sudden we discover fossil fuels in the past few…

Everyone is so sensational about climate change but never looks at Earth's history. Were at the tail end of an ice age. For most of Earth's history, there were no polar ice caps. For 400 out of 500 million years the earth was warmer than it is now. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hotte... https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_widt...

The earth is 4.5 billion years old so I don't understand what you mean with "400 out of 500 million years".

Also for a lot of that time earth was a hellishly hot place with little life.

Re: Last week was the hottest ever recorded – here’s why we keep smashing records

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Post by nerdchum » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 4:25 AM UTC

ShellfishMeme wrote: post #55

nerdchum wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is so sensational about climate change but never looks at Earth's history. Were at the tail end of an ice age. For most of Earth's history, there were no polar ice caps. For 400 out of 500 million years the earth was warmer than it is now. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hotte... https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_widt...

The earth is 4.5 billion years old so I don't understand what you mean with "400 out of 500 million years". Also for a lot of that time earth was a hellishly hot place with little life.

The past 500 million years have been rich with life.

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Post by Timon3 » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 7:56 AM UTC

542354234235 wrote: post #48

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #31

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Over the last 500M years, the world has been hotter than it is today for ~400M of those years: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hotte... And for the majority of that time, it has been MUCH hotter.

Exactly. People keep saying that we need to stop climate change to save the planet. The planet does not care and will be just fine. We need to stop climate change to save ourselves.

My god, I hate this line. Obviously people aren't referring to the ball of molten rock getting a case of the sniffles and achoo-ing all over the solar system. People are referring to - you know - ALL THE LIFE ON THAT PLANET. Wow, amazing, an amoeba will survive us fucking the planet up! Since life and the planet will survive, go nuts! Blow up your nukes, why should the rock care? That's all that matters, we will not literally destroy the planet!

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Post by austinjp » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 8:04 AM UTC

nerdchum wrote: post #52

kkielhofner wrote: post #36

I'd like to say politics could be avoided on this but not knowing anything about the science, historical stats, etc I've always had a simple nagging question on this issue that hopefully someone can help me understand. Elementary school science classes teach basic cause and effect. My question is: How is it possible the planet can be billions of years old, then all of a sudden we discover fossil fuels in the past few…

Everyone is so sensational about climate change but never looks at Earth's history. Were at the tail end of an ice age. For most of Earth's history, there were no polar ice caps. For 400 out of 500 million years the earth was warmer than it is now. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hotte... https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_widt...

That's disingenuous misdirection. The current change is a threat to humanity of our own making.

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Post by austinjp » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 8:08 AM UTC

Timon3 wrote: post #57

542354234235 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. People keep saying that we need to stop climate change to save the planet. The planet does not care and will be just fine. We need to stop climate change to save ourselves.

My god, I hate this line. Obviously people aren't referring to the ball of molten rock getting a case of the sniffles and achoo-ing all over the solar system. People are referring to - you know - ALL THE LIFE ON THAT PLANET. Wow, amazing, an amoeba will survive us fucking the planet up! Since life and the planet will survive, go nuts! Blow up your nukes, why should the rock care? That's all that matters, we will not…

Well that's kinda the reason _for_ the line. Climate change kills people. "Save the planet" is too vague, it's disempowering.

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Post by r721 » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 8:24 AM UTC

cpr wrote: post #44

A global temperature average is utterly meaningless. https://off-guardian.org/2023/07/12/reality-check-no-we-didn...

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