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Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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Not sure how that's relevant?

It's relevant because if 99.99% of British people had nothing to do with the famine, saying that "the British" were a "pathogen" is somewhere between weapons grade bullshit and outright hate speech.

It was a low effort joke and not meant to be taken seriously, certainly not as hate speech. I also didn't expect it to get this many upvotes. I regret posting it, but I cannot delete it anymore as people have already responded.

That being said, most often when someone refers to "the ", it refers to the country itself / its government, not every single citizen in that country, and that's how it was intended here.

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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No problem: just find an animal that has no local predator and eats the beetles and introduce it to the ecosystem. What could go wrong?

Nothing. It will eradicate the potatoe bug and then go extinct for lack of prey. This is incredible! It takes two HN nerds just 5 minutes to come up with a good plan a group of scientists would have needed months to develop.

I’d like to think this is the exact same conversation that gave Australia it’s 2nd favourite purse material, the cane toad.

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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Requiring calorie-heavy diets to carry out their punishing workloads, [the Irish impoverished tenant farmers] were soon consuming between 40 and 60 potatoes every day.

I wonder what size of potatoes they were back then? How many kilograms of potatoes that was?

I imagine they may have been much smaller than today's varieties.

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's relevant because if 99.99% of British people had nothing to do with the famine, saying that "the British" were a "pathogen" is somewhere between weapons grade bullshit and outright hate speech.

99.99% of Americans had nothing to do with Abu Ghraib either.

And I would object to the claim that "Americans are responsible for Abu Ghraib" for the same reason.

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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It’s one thing to have a bad crop. It’s another to have your government enforce some heartless economic system at the expense of people’s lives, and utterly fail at helping them by accepting foreign aid from other countries. Just as the Holodomor[1] and Great Chinese Famine[2] were the result of misguided or malicious “socialist” collectivization efforts by Stalin and Mao, the Irish Potato Famine[3] and the much late…

> the much later famines in the Bengal regions...entire British Raj came about through state capitalism There is an interesting thread of history in the earlier 1770 famine in Bengal. The EIC over-taxed during the famine, leading to "a large proportion of the dead [being] spinners and weavers who had no reserves of food" [1]. Dead spinners produce no textiles, which caused the Company losses. That crashed the stock a…

This is a very interesting chain of events. All European exploitation was cruel and history was written by victors. With China and India rising, a lot of the shenanigans are going to come out and made common knowledge. Right now, history is heavily tilted towards the western story.

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing. It will eradicate the potatoe bug and then go extinct for lack of prey. This is incredible! It takes two HN nerds just 5 minutes to come up with a good plan a group of scientists would have needed months to develop.

I’d like to think this is the exact same conversation that gave Australia it’s 2nd favourite purse material, the cane toad.

And New Zealand it's near-extinct endemic birds, thank to mustelids.

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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> the much later famines in the Bengal regions...entire British Raj came about through state capitalism There is an interesting thread of history in the earlier 1770 famine in Bengal. The EIC over-taxed during the famine, leading to "a large proportion of the dead [being] spinners and weavers who had no reserves of food" [1]. Dead spinners produce no textiles, which caused the Company losses. That crashed the stock a…

This is a very interesting chain of events. All European exploitation was cruel and history was written by victors. With China and India rising, a lot of the shenanigans are going to come out and made common knowledge. Right now, history is heavily tilted towards the western story.

> with China and India rising, a lot of the shenanigans are going to come out and made common knowledge

None of this was hidden. American political, British financial and Indian geopolitical history are just rarely taught together.

India and China have no paucity of cruel and exploitative histories. Both contain periods of empire building, ethnic cleansing and wrenching inequality. A better takeaway is recognizing the common impulses our economic and political systems cause in us and how they may be foreseen and mitigated.

For example, the history I just recounted followed the Seven Years' War, in which the British (among others) beat the French and Spanish (among others) [1]. (This also circles back to Paris backing the American revolution.) At the time, the Spanish dollar was the world's reserve currency and Britain a rising power. Guess how they framed their rise and predecessors' fall?

(Unnecessary aside: and they were right. The British I mean. My Indian descent obliges familiarity with British atrocities on the subcontinent and abroad. But at least we, with a competent government led largely by those descended from the indigenous at the time when the British came, can name them. She scale and continuity of the Spanish crown’s atrocities and exterminations show no such delineation nor legacy. And on the next turn, my American citizenship obliges familiarity with our illegal invasions and proliferation of war crimes. But at least we label them as much. In the time of the British Raj and America in the Philippines, that was business as usual.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Years%27_War

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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post #38

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It's relevant because if 99.99% of British people had nothing to do with the famine, saying that "the British" were a "pathogen" is somewhere between weapons grade bullshit and outright hate speech.

Ireland continued to to export food to the rest of the UK throughout the famine. Arguably all British peoples who had cheap Irish imports benefited.

Who benefited (indirectly) says nothing about who is responsible.

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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post #38

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Not sure how that's relevant?

It's relevant because if 99.99% of British people had nothing to do with the famine, saying that "the British" were a "pathogen" is somewhere between weapons grade bullshit and outright hate speech.

Haha okay. Who was working for the British landlords in Ireland? Solely the Anglo-Irish? No-one from Britain?

Who voted for governments that enforced the Corn Law?

Drawing ahead in Irish history by 60 - 70 years, who made up the bulk of the Black and Tans?

But sure, can't blame the British for what their aristocracy and elected government did in Ireland, for... ...reasons?

Feel like you need a satirical hashtag, like #notallabsenteelandlords or something.

Re: Scientists have identified the potato pathogen that devastated Ireland (2013)

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it does when the crop is the single staple crop used by most of the population

Ireland was a net exporter of food throughout the famine

I understand the numbers suggest this not to be the case: https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-202289...
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