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Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by Chatting »

pavon wrote: post #24
Cpoll wrote: post #8

The title is a bit clickbaity. The thing most people associate Gandi with, domain name registration, is going up 25-50%. The 1000% is this: > Now, Gandi will raise the prices of the Standard mailbox plan from €0.35/month to €3.99/month per mailbox, a 1040% increase.

Yeah, that's not an unreasonable price. Just ticking off the features (which doesn't tell the whole story) Gandi's email service provides something between fastmail's $3 and $5 plans, and similar to protonmail's $3.99 plan. That €0.35/month plan was a steal. Most places don't even offer backup store-and-forward SMTP for that let alone full email hosting. Of course, now that they are pricing themselves the same as the…

Counterpoint: if you compare Gandi's old/existing prices for all other products (domains, hosting, etc.) with the competition, they are not exactly on the cheap end. It seems to me they've always positioned themselves as a premium option. So either they decided to make an exception for email (why?) or the €0.35/month price is not necessarily the steal you think it is.

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by sacnoradhq »

bitdivision wrote: post #9

Gandi was bought out earlier this year leading to discontinuation of free mailboxes [0]. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777

Fuck. Gandi was my go-to privacy-conscious domain registrar.

What viable alternatives exist that aren't cash-grabbing vultures and aren't beholden to US globalist interests?

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by sacnoradhq »

I've used Gandi for ~15 years. I don't care about their VPSes, email boxes, web hosting, or anything else. All I cared about was the privacy, anonymity, and integrity of their domain registrar service with sensible prices. Now that they appear to have completely sold out to corporate interests and are on the price-price-profit spiral train, I'm wondering what alternatives exist.

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by cmcaleer »

rammer wrote: post #7

Click bait title. 1000% when the real story is an increase of 3 euro? Bs, the company decided they can't discount and as long as they give enough notice I don't see a problem. > Now, Gandi will raise the prices of the Standard mailbox plan from €0.35/month to €3.99/month per mailbox, a 1040% increase. The Premium plan will go from €1.75/month to €5.99/month, a 242% increase.

Say you’re providing standard email to a family of 6. Your yearly bills are €25.2.

Now, your bills are €288 per year, for the same service, basically overnight, without even beginning to consider other price raises by Gandi and general inflation. If you don’t have a ton of disposable income that’s kinda brutal and you don’t have a lot of time to work this out.

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by cmcaleer »

CydeWeys wrote: post #39
yawnxyz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people on HN hate Cloudflare... but they're pretty good on prices, UI, and "just works"ness. Their support is also speedy.

They don't "just work" for my .dev domain names :(

Apparently coming soon, though it’s been on this page for at least a month.

https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/tld-policies/

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by cmcaleer »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #40
nilespotter wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally why I use them.

Excuse me, come again?

It seems common sense to prefer providers who are reasonably agnostic to who they provide services to. I would not use a water company that refuses to provide water to political enemies, because what if one day you become distasteful to them and they turn your water off without warning? Nor would I use a service where if someone accuses me without evidence of something distasteful, the company’s response is to immediately suspend services to you before they fully understand the story (e.g. the recent Amazon smart home “racist” incident where nothing racist actually took place but a man lost access to all his devices and locks).

I want services provided by full-time service providers, not service providers who moonlight as moral arbiters.

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by jeffparsons »

yawnxyz wrote: post #48
jeffparsons wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's their billing model? Can you choose "if I stuff up, my things go offline" (NearlyFreeSpeech) or is the only option "if I stuff up, I get an enormous credit card bill" (AWS)? For business use I don't care so much about this. But for personal stuff I just can't accept unlimited liability. I would even be willing to pay a bit more for the safety. So... I suppose my question is: what's a good option for folks who…

The only reason I chose them instead of AWS is bill shock. I don't run up high enough of requests to go past the free tier though so honestly... I have no idea what it's like to run a "successful" system with millions of requests a day. But their pricing (10 million / month, +$0.50/million) is much clearer to me than the many many pages of confusing jargon on AWS, which is why I went for CF. I've seen some horror sto…

That sounds better to me than AWS billing, but for personal stuff I'd still prefer to pre-pay and then get cut off if I run out of money in my cloud provider account.

If the provider is worried about incurring costs that they then can't recover, then they could require me to have, e.g., a minimum $10 balance, and all but the simplest of things shut down if I dip below that. Then the remaining ~$10 would be used to pay for cost of storage/bookkeeping, and then if _that_ runs out, they delete all my stuff.

I'm happy to pay. I just can't tolerate much personal risk as an individual with a family.

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by Nadya »

jcul wrote: post #36
vel0city wrote: post #21

I just completed my email migration away from Gandi this weekend. I figured if I had to really start paying for it, I might as well get something better than their offering or move to something cheaper. If I'm paying ~$4/mo per user, it really starts to seem worth it to spring to something that offers a lot more for similar pricing. Then there's lots of services out there which offer cheaper prices with more features…

I've been using mxroute to host some email for my family and random automation stuff for the past while. Really happy with them, I'm paying 15 USD a year on a recurring black Friday deal. I think that has 50GB storage, which is fine for my usecase. They have unlimited mail accounts, which is great, as some family members might only send or receive a handful of emails a month...

Another option is Purely Mail [0] which is who I'll be using if running my own Mail-in-a-box turns out to be a bit too much. It could end up being cheaper than mxroute depending on your needs.

[0] https://purelymail.com/

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by bitdivision »

sacnoradhq wrote: post #52
bitdivision wrote: post #9

Gandi was bought out earlier this year leading to discontinuation of free mailboxes [0]. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777

Fuck. Gandi was my go-to privacy-conscious domain registrar. What viable alternatives exist that aren't cash-grabbing vultures and aren't beholden to US globalist interests?

Porkbun [0] is often recommended. Based in the US though.

0: https://porkbun.com/

Re: Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

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Post by Nadya »

yawnxyz wrote: post #12
null-shell wrote: post #5

Whats a good alternative now, I have a few domains with them..

Lots of people on HN hate Cloudflare... but they're pretty good on prices, UI, and "just works"ness. Their support is also speedy.

I'm opposed to them for purely ideological reasons. Their products are some of the best on the market that I've used at work. I can't really speak to their support because everything I've had to use for work Just Works so I've never had to contact support.

I think it is dangerous to have as much of the web as there already is behind a single entity is all. I do not wish to contribute to the centralization of the web even further by pushing my own sites and projects through Cloudflare. So I make an active effort to avoid using them. The ever increasing centralization of the web should be considered harmful and Cloudflare and AWS already run an absurd portion of the internet and it only seems to be getting worse. To such an extent that US East 1 outages has become a meme.

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