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The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Damn. I haven’t read much of The Athletic (don’t have that subscription level) but I’ve enjoyed NYT sports coverage for forever.

They always seemed to have interesting, subtle, and original takes on whatever they were covering. More “literary” than your typical ESPN or other major network coverage.

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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That's not it. Newspapers used to have a monopoly on advertising, at least in the local area. Once they lost their monopoly they were no longer financially viable.

They never had a monopoly: direct mail, billboards, Yellow Pages, TV, radio, leaflets…

The local movie theatre wasn't going to be advertising show times anywhere but it the newspaper!

If you wanted to sell a car, or fill a job opening, or rent out an apartment, you needed to advertise in the classifieds.

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> The left leaning NY times, and the right leaning WSJ Neither are left or right. They are both serve the interest of the same ambidextrous elite. Also, in the internet era, all newspapers are 'national' ( or even 'international' ) since they are all equally accessible by the population via their news feeds. All news essentially has national or global distribution now.

The establishment has left and right wings. You may have notices, for example, US Congress (and most others), which literally has seating in two parts, a left wing and right wing.

Uhhhhh

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What is the definition of left leaning as it pertains to a newspaper? Is this an impression you have or is there a roughly objective criterion that the NYT meets to called left leaning?

Is an impression I have mostly. Do you really want to debate if the NY times is left leaning right now? I know of no objective criterion, maybe someone came up with one based on the editorial staff or bag or words, or number of news articles about certain topics labeled left v. right. But feel free to reject the premise I guess, seems fairly self-evident if you've paid any attention to what they've been writing at th…

They endorse the war in Iraq. They don’t side with Occupy Wall Street. They have some famous conservative columnists. Etc. Is there a left lean to their factual reporting? Is there a left lean to the types of news they report on?

Outside of the U.S. I think the NYT would be considered right of center. Same with the Democratic Party. There has been a steady rightward shift in U.S. policies since Reagan. From my perspective there is no liberal bias as such but there is a lot of rhetoric stating this. I’ve yet to see any sort of semi objective reasoning behind this belief.

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What is the definition of left leaning as it pertains to a newspaper? Is this an impression you have or is there a roughly objective criterion that the NYT meets to called left leaning?

There is no objective criterion on left vs. right leaning. These are all based on impressions. The only thing you can do is survey readers and ask if the NYT has a bias. It is pretty well acknowledged that NYT does have a left lean, but it is not on the extreme left. Another thing to note is that many argue what we call left in the US is closer to center right in Western Europe. Perhaps in a global sense it is at the…

For 30 years right wing pundits have decried “liberal press”. I suppose if you say it often enough people believe it. What would be nice are reasons for this belief other than my tribe says it is so.

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Good riddance! I got tired of opening the sports section to find another story about how violent athletes are to their spouses, or how unfair high schools are to transgender women. It seemed like the writers were more concerned about signaling their virtuous views of social issues, laundering their own privileged backgrounds by pretending to care. Sports writing isn't about human rights or social issues. It is about…

Sports writing is, in fact, about whatever the writer wants it to be about. I’m not sure Orwell is the authority on sports writing that you think he is, but on the other hand, now we know what you think about sports. My only question is why you’d have a relevant opinion on an institution you hate but on the other hand, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Why not skip reading the sports section? (Is your complaint more about the cultural influence than the act of reading it?)

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You know, I subscribe to the NYT but they've been pushing more and more opinion articles to the top that seem to really be about gaslighting their subscribers. Recent example, there was a opinion piece about "how people were obsessed with the rich people in the sub but not the migrants in the mediterranean" roughly. You know, completely gaslighting the fact that the readers had zero say in the coverage decisions of t…

> You know, I subscribe to the NYT but they've been pushing more and more opinion articles to the top... Yeah. Recently I've noticed they've promoted "Opinion" over "World" in their app. World News used to be the second section after "Most Popular"; now it's 3rd, after "Games" and "Opinion. IMHO, it's a bad sign. One of the main reasons I subscribed to them was I liked their in-depth coverage of world news, specifica…

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