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Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Re: Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

akira2501 wrote: post #39
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running a 14 year old operating system in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. If you don't like newer Windows, that's fine, don't use Windows. But operating systems that old should be relegated to airgapped machines for historical purposes.

> Running a 14 year old operating system in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. Forcing an upgrade treadmill on your users just to shake them down for a few extra advertising dollars in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. > If you don't like newer Windows, that's fine, don't use Windows. I don't believe that Windows 11 was at all necessary to achieve this security nirvana.

Well, Windows 10 is necessary currently. At the moment 11 doesn't offer any real improvements above it yet from a security standpoint. But obviously Windows 10 only officially has about two years of life left, though I expect Microsoft to extend it.

Re: Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

Dalewyn wrote: post #49
asadotzler wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

drive-by system takeover isn't on your threat list?

Nope. The machine's behind a router and its own firewall. Most JavaShit is disabled in the web browsers. Why would a drive-by attack be in my threat model?

There's a lot more ways to exploit a Windows OS than JavaScript if you load websites at all. We won't even get into "if you ever read an email or open a document".

Have you ever seen things in a different font?

Re: Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

cesarb wrote: post #48
asadotzler wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

drive-by system takeover isn't on your threat list?

> drive-by system takeover isn't on your threat list? How would that "drive-by system takeover" happen? AFAIK, Windows 7 came with its network firewall enabled by default, so most services wouldn't be exposed to the network. And that network is often a local network, with another firewall separating it from the rest of the Internet. For many users, the only exposed attack surface would be the web browser itself.

Firefox is I believe the last browser here to announce dropping Windows 7, but a ton of web-connected OS features in Windows 7 use Internet Explorer to load content, and dangerously outdated IE at that. At least with Windows 8, also a bad idea, many of those connected features use the legacy Edge engine which is (marginally) better.

Re: Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #37
Grom_PE wrote: post #35

That's a shame. Windows 7 is the last good Windows. I'm not convinced that later versions of Windows have some incredibly useful APIs that cannot be called dynamically and need to be used unconditionally. This chase after new APIs also makes the program harder to support in ReactOS and Wine.

Running a 14 year old operating system in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. If you don't like newer Windows, that's fine, don't use Windows. But operating systems that old should be relegated to airgapped machines for historical purposes.

Last year I found an old xp machine that I wanted to show to a kid to learn to mess with.

Took me hours to get Firefox because everything else refuses to work. That was because I remembered the Mozilla download site directly.

Then, programs screaming end of support and security and vulnerability and what not.

WHAT IS THE THREAT MODEL HERE?

I come from a place which got high speed internet only 2 years ago. Until then, EVRRYONE USED TO DISABlE WINDOWS UPDATE, because data was precious and guess what happened, nothing.

You actually believe if I use Firefox with ubo on windows 7 that suddenly malware would jump on my machine, turn it into a bot and destroy data?

What about using office tools like excel or say libreoffice.

If a windows 7 or xp is connected to internet and you don't use a browser, will it still get infected?

Re: Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Post by heywoodlh »

nicce wrote: post #33
2h wrote: post #13

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> settings is this a joke? ever tried user management with Windows 10/11? its a hellscape of clicking through the Control Panel, the Settings app, and countless crosslinked pages with no rhyme or reason. same for microphone levels. same for device management.

Long live the PowerShell. Yes, old control panel was much more manageable. Most of the important settings have been hidden from the end-user these days.

I am normally a Linux or MacOS user exclusively, but recently I reinstalled Windows 11 on my somewhat recently purchased Lenovo Yoga 7i. I tried to get as far as I could getting as much of my configuration codified with PowerShell in a git repo[0].

I got really far with it and the end result was super nice, I thought! But a lot of the stuff I wanted was very deeply buried.

Also, the defaults that Microsoft assaults Windows users with are insane! I can't believe what Microsoft gets away with.

[0] https://github.com/heywoodlh/windows-configs

Re: Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Post by FreshStart »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #37
Grom_PE wrote: post #35

That's a shame. Windows 7 is the last good Windows. I'm not convinced that later versions of Windows have some incredibly useful APIs that cannot be called dynamically and need to be used unconditionally. This chase after new APIs also makes the program harder to support in ReactOS and Wine.

Running a 14 year old operating system in the world we live in today is dangerous and stupid. If you don't like newer Windows, that's fine, don't use Windows. But operating systems that old should be relegated to airgapped machines for historical purposes.

The world we life in is dangerous and stupid. A always on, surveillance first, roll it out while it's red Schrott OS might bei alot worser than old abandon wäre that at least doesn't actively try to deprecate perfectly fine hardware.

New! = better

Re: Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Post by eviks »

slome wrote: post #17

This allows Mozilla to trim away some of the cruft and have more time available to focus on actually improving Firefox for people living in this day and age. There will always be someone who feels left behind but to me this decision is a no-brainer.

There will also be a lot of people actually left behind, but of course there will always be people who don't care about it

Re: Mozilla ending support for Windows 7

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Post by Dalewyn »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #52
Dalewyn wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. The machine's behind a router and its own firewall. Most JavaShit is disabled in the web browsers. Why would a drive-by attack be in my threat model?

There's a lot more ways to exploit a Windows OS than JavaScript if you load websites at all. We won't even get into "if you ever read an email or open a document". Have you ever seen things in a different font?

Sure, fonts local to my machine. Remote fonts can go to hell, and I've likewise got cookies and JavaShit all blocked as emails go because WTF does email need them for?

Seriously, my threat model doesn't include anything that updates claim to guard against. I'm not a fucking enterprise server, nor does any government specifically want my shit. Try arguing for me to update my router before talking about the virtues of Windows updates, at least that might alleviate random port scans and the like which are in my threat model.

I'm far more likely to get pwned by some service getting hacked and leaking my shit rather than /me/ getting hacked. People who scream at me that EOL Windows is dangerous can go pound sand, because they have no clue WTF they're crying about.

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