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Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Post by cbo »

First, let's be clear that the term "brogrammer", tongue-in-cheek or not, is downright misogynistic.

But equally problematic are the common beliefs that spawned the term in the first place; that programmers must always be obsessed with technology above all else, and to appreciate things like sports, fashion, or fast cars is somehow "bad" or "uncommon" for programmers.

There are a whole host of programmers who despise guys like DHH for enjoying fashion and cars. They seem to believe that somehow, those traits detract from his skill or significance as a programmer. That Rails is a "bad" or "fashionable" framework because of those things and is thus to be avoided. This kind of thinking is just plain ridiculous.

The spectrum on programming ranges from a hobby, to a career, even to the lengths of an obsession. But no one should be expected to act like the "norm". A programmer that cares more about the latest Ferrari than the latest web framework is not necessarily an undesirable programmer. They're just a programmer with different interests, and no one should be treating them differently because of that.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Post by moocow01 »

The problem is that it is a trend to the detriment of our profession. You don't have any other half way respectable profession with a sector of it trying to emulate being frat boys. Its embarrassing really.

Its a surprising slice of programming culture in that most who get into programming tend to be the polar opposite of frat boys. Maybe this is a side effect of The Social Network movie.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#53

Post by codeonfire »

goldmab wrote: post #11

Why are people so angry? It seems like these guys are mostly just acting silly. I don't think it's particularly interesting or funny or whatever, but that's no reason to be mad at them.

There has always been a problem in STEM jobs where people try to use social manipulation rather than technical achievement to get ahead. With brogrammer, people are trying to convince employers to exclude certain classes of employees such as women or non-social people. Then it becomes a race to the bottom of who fits the stereotype the best rather than rhe most qualified, and technical people end up taking orders from popped-collar types with no technical skills. This is not a joke, and there is a very real reason people are doing this.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Post by jfoutz »

moocow01 wrote: post #52

The problem is that it is a trend to the detriment of our profession. You don't have any other half way respectable profession with a sector of it trying to emulate being frat boys. Its embarrassing really. Its a surprising slice of programming culture in that most who get into programming tend to be the polar opposite of frat boys. Maybe this is a side effect of The Social Network movie.

Finance.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Post by arihant »

Its not a non-female concept as the author misunderstands. Its called Proglamming.

Its called free choice. To each its own; don't nag somebody's way of life and correlate it to their talent. Don't hate what you do not understand.

Brogramming is state of mind. If you let yourself immerse in it, you will see.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Post by bryanh »

codeonfire wrote: post #53
goldmab wrote: post #11

Why are people so angry? It seems like these guys are mostly just acting silly. I don't think it's particularly interesting or funny or whatever, but that's no reason to be mad at them.

There has always been a problem in STEM jobs where people try to use social manipulation rather than technical achievement to get ahead. With brogrammer, people are trying to convince employers to exclude certain classes of employees such as women or non-social people. Then it becomes a race to the bottom of who fits the stereotype the best rather than rhe most qualified, and technical people end up taking orders fro…

Didn't you just describe 90% of regular ole management? Ineptitude certainly isn't exclusively to this particular label.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

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Post by fruchtose »

GFKjunior wrote: post #8

Here is a pic of the guy who said the line about the girls in the hot tub. http://danilo.ariadoss.com/about/ Pretty much exactly what I expected.

One of the links on his site goes to this online game:

http://hogwartslive.wizards.pro/

I hope he does not advertise himself as a UI designer.

Re: Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

#60

Post by huggyface »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #6

This is nothing new, back in ~2004 when I was at university for CS there were plenty of students who were desperate to shed the "nerdy" image and would compensate taking up macho hobbies like bodybuilding , playing metal music, martial arts or motorcycling or by drinking large amounts and getting high every weekend. The whole brogrammer meme reminds me a lot of DHH. Whenever you see him speak he is always dressed and…

Is it possible that they weren't trying to shed anything, nor were their interests "compensating"? CS had become one of the most lucrative careers, naturally drawing in a lot of people outside of the traditional (e.g. I entered this field because I loved doing this as a kid, and have loved it since. Many of my peers did their very first line of code in university).

I'm not justifying the "brogrammer" nonsense, but just arguing that it's a field that does more closely represent all parts of demographics, shedding its traditional nerdly people-like-me basis.

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