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A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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The lengths people will go to to avoid using the metric system!

Funny how we went through the monumental effort to build and adopt a whole new system of units just because a few people were bad at grade-school arithmetic and mental math.

It's especially weird because 12 is so much more useful than 10.

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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I wonder if this is related (in a very large scale sense) to the sand pile model and self organized criticality...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organized_criticality

The sand pile model: if one builds a pile of sand, dropping onto it a small number of grains at a time, individual grains will slide down the slope - but there's a critical angle at which any additional grains can trigger a catastrophic avalanche.

https://nautil.us/the-math-of-the-amazing-sandpile-238320/

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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They go in increments of 50m. If you asked the width people go to, it would be 25m. So your comment about avoiding the metric system is not really accurate. We don't say the Earth is approximately equal to 150 million kilometres from the Sun, we say one AU. We just use numbers that can be comprehended.

93 million miles you mean

No, I mean 3 million Olympic size swimming pools, you "do anything to avoid metric system" person

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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>In geology, unlike business, nothing is too big to fail.

Nothing is too big to fail in the business world either. Or at least nothing should be. If a business is that important to the economy but it can't keep itself afloat, something has gone horribly wrong on the business side, the government side, or both. Bailing out the business will probably not fix the underlying issues.

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how we went through the monumental effort to build and adopt a whole new system of units just because a few people were bad at grade-school arithmetic and mental math.

It's especially weird because 12 is so much more useful than 10.

Oddly enough, it's still possible to have 12 metres or 12 tonnes within the metric system. I realise this is baffling and confusing to Americans but it's really true!

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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I am always amazed how thin the biosphere is - 3km down in the water , 3 up in the air - so roughly 1/1000 of the radius of the earth. And the vast majority of the biomass could probably be found in couple of hundred meters close to water level.

I seem to recall reading that there is actually more biomass below the surface of the earth than above, so you might be wrong on that one.

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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My grandfather (a vulcanologist) set up measuring stations in Iceland in the 1930s to prove that Iceland was spreading apart. Unfortunately, the war interrupted that, and he died in the war.

Any more insights into his research and measurements that you know of? Thanks for sharing.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Bernauer

"His greatest contributions to the academic world – proof of Continental Drift through his studies in Iceland and a crystal growing method now lost to mankind – attest to his considerable intellect and dedication."

https://expo.uw.edu/expo/apply/494/proceedings/show?id=68965

"Geschichtete Lava an islaendischen Vulkanen" von Ferdinand Bernauer, Berlin-Charlottenburg

Zietschrift der Deutschen Geologischen Gesellshaft Heft 2 Band 89 Berlin 1937 / Verlag von Ferdinand Enke in Stuttgart

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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Before anyone gets excited, the landslide occurred in the 12th century or so :( I was all excited to plan a rock hounding trip to the Himalayas. I even sent out the Sherpa bat signal (it’s a silhouette of me shaving a Himalayan yak), only to find out I’m eight hundred years too late.

Smaller mountain landslides do occur in modern times. There was one here in Montana in 1959 that killed 27 people and blocked a major river. The effects are still visible today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Hebgen_Lake_earthquake

I mean the 'biggest' landslides are so big I'm not sure we'd fully be aware if one was going to happen soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Mountain_(Wyoming)

>Between 50 and 48 million years ago a sheet of rock about 500 square miles (1,300 square kilometers) in area detached from the plateau south of the Beartooths and slid tens of kilometers to the southeast and south into the Bighorn and Absaroka Basins

Luckily events like this are geologically rare. A bigger risk would be tsunamis from underwater mountain landslides.

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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I am always amazed how thin the biosphere is - 3km down in the water , 3 up in the air - so roughly 1/1000 of the radius of the earth. And the vast majority of the biomass could probably be found in couple of hundred meters close to water level.

There is stuff living in rocks down to about 4km depth (the limiting factor is heat), including far below the seafloor. It's still an open question whether this biomass, some of which has been out of contact with the surface for hundreds of millions of years, exceeds the biomass of surface on Earth, but it's at least in the same ballpark.

Re: A gigantic landslide shows the limit to how high mountains can grow

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The Sabche Cirque in question looks like a fascinating, and difficult place to explore. Check out narrow the exit drainage is!

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Deep-and-narrow-gorge-of...

This Nasa blog post has a lot of good pictures of the immediate area that helps with understanding the shapes of the mountains there. I initially didn't realize just how choked down the drainage got. It seems like many cirques are described as having narrow exits but rarely are they this narrow.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/fromthefield/2014/01...

Here's an earlier discussion related to this one: https://www.science.org/cms/asset/b7f5337c-0f34-4fb5-a907-61...

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