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Why is desalination so difficult?

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Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

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Probably very dumb idea, but would it be feasible to just pump and sprinkle sea-water on hot, dry desert and let it naturally evaporate, and then collect it as fresh rainwater back? i.e. how much water would you need to evaporate to have a noticeable increase in rainfall?

In other words, you want to salt the land? Isn't that what marauders do when they want to destroy an area permanently?

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Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

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Can I shower in salt water? Then all I need to do is desalinate drinking water. “Distributed” home desalination for drinking water seems like the best approach in my mind, then people can pay as much or as little they need, but I have no real data to back this up.

No. Unless you want salt-caked hair. And body. Curious, have you ever been to a beach?

Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, you want to salt the land? Isn't that what marauders do when they want to destroy an area permanently?

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deserts are actually functioning ecosystems with life though, contrast to say, a salt flat

Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

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Can I shower in salt water? Then all I need to do is desalinate drinking water. “Distributed” home desalination for drinking water seems like the best approach in my mind, then people can pay as much or as little they need, but I have no real data to back this up.

I'm not even remotely knowledgeable about this, but I'd assume saltwater would wreck plumbing. The connection in and out would probably be degraded much quicker. Then the water treatment plants would have to deal with dirty salt water, which is probably more difficult.

On top of that all the brine that people produce in their homes would have to be disposed of, and I'm sure many people would just end up flushing it down the drain. So the water treatment plant would have to deal with highly concentrated, contaminated saltwater.

Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

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Slightly off topic, however, the post references the Carlsbad desalination facility. If you find yourself in San Diego and like oysters, I would highly recommend you checkout the Carlsbad Aquafarm. Take the tour and pick up some oysters. What's really interesting and relevant to the topic is that the oyster farm serves as a pre-filter to the desalination plant and there's an symbiotic relationship between the plant a…

That's really cool! Thanks for pointing this out.

Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

#57

Stupid question time, why not expose the sea water over a larger area and expose to sunshine? There's plenty of room in the UAE for this, somebody is even building a wall that could hold the water which could be dual purpose and act as cooling via evaporation...

Search for OTEC (Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion). Not necessary to build wall, just a big enough pipe to collect cold water from the depth. Then a special contraption will yield pure water from evaporation. Can be done virtually everywhere there is a deep enough ocean.

Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

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The energy costs are a bit of a red herring depending on local conditions. In California we currently "curtail" i.e. discard a huge amount of renewable energy in the spring season. If we can seasonally apply that energy to desalination, and store the fresh water for later, it is essentially a huge time-shifting battery that stores excess spring energy for the summer.

Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

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post #55

Can I shower in salt water? Then all I need to do is desalinate drinking water. “Distributed” home desalination for drinking water seems like the best approach in my mind, then people can pay as much or as little they need, but I have no real data to back this up.

I'm not even remotely knowledgeable about this, but I'd assume saltwater would wreck plumbing. The connection in and out would probably be degraded much quicker. Then the water treatment plants would have to deal with dirty salt water, which is probably more difficult. On top of that all the brine that people produce in their homes would have to be disposed of, and I'm sure many people would just end up flushing it d…

Bingo. Corrosion. Everything would need to be "marine-grade" aka expensive to plumb :)

Re: Why is desalination so difficult?

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While on the issue of water:

Some countries have floods in one part, and drought in the other.

The floods are so bad that large numbers of people die.

Here's a great challenge that should be worked on: how to capture the flood water and use it to mitigate the droughts. Could something like Elon Musk's Boring company concept fix this?

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