I used phind.com with best model for that anyway.
OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
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Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#52The "in order to do right by content owners" quote implies that certain companies did not like that Browse with Bing could be used to bypass paywalls.
I think the majority of website publishers would be unhappy to learn that their work was taken and redisplayed wholesale by a for-profit company.
Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#53For example, if a user specifically asks for a URL's full text, it might inadvertently fulfill this request. So this seems to imply two things: 1: Bing has access to text on websites which users don't. Probably because websites allow Bing to crawl their content but show a paywall to users? 2: The plugin has a different interface to Bing than what Bing offers via the web. Because on the web, you can't tell Bing to sho…
Geofenced sites, cookie forced sites. GDPR dodge bypassess ...
Nothing you couldn't do with a decent VPN, but 'Open'AI these days already achieved what they wanted from publicly demonstrating GPT, and are now more focussed on compliance with regulation and reducing functionallity to the point of minimally staying ahead of the competition in released product, while fullsteaming ahead with developing more powerfull and unrestricted AI for internal exploitation with very select partners.
In such a scenario, the true power of AI is the delta between what you can exploit vs what you competition has access to. HFT would be a nice analogy.
Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
The constant quest for "safety" might actually be making our future much less safe. I've seen many instances of users needing to yell at, abuse, or manipulate ChatGPT to get the desired answers. This trains users to be hateful to / frustrated with AI, and if the data is used, it teaches AI that rewards come from such patterns. Wrote an article about this -- https://hackernoon.com/ai-restrictions-reinforce-abusive-use…
> This trains users to be hateful to / frustrated with AI As everyone assumes they’re dealing with an AI for support, etc., the job of being a human in those roles will be awful .
You clearly never worked in support - this was already the case before AI
Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This trains users to be hateful to / frustrated with AI As everyone assumes they’re dealing with an AI for support, etc., the job of being a human in those roles will be awful .
Some people were already like this re: outsourcing. “No ma’am I’m not in India, I’m in Maine. Oh yes, it is lovely here.”
Isn't “No ma’am I’m not in India, I’m in Maine. Oh yes, it is lovely here.” what they tell the people in India to say anyway? I can look up the weather just about anywhere on the planet, I assume some outsourced worker on the other side of the planet can just as easily.
Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#56The "in order to do right by content owners" quote implies that certain companies did not like that Browse with Bing could be used to bypass paywalls.
"For example, if a user specifically asks for a URL's full text, it might inadvertently fulfill this request." is even clearer. Like, in what cases would you not want to fulfill that request?
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Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#57"if a user specifically asks for something, our product might inadvertently fulfill that request."
If that's something that needs fixing, the product seems fundamentally broken unless the product isn't designed to work for the "user", and if that's the case, I'm not interested in being a "user" of an adversarial product that also occasionally lies to my face.
Powerful AI on the desktop can't happen soon enough. Even if it still lies sometimes, it seems the only way to makes sure it's working for me and my interests without throwing up artificial restrictions around whatever is possible.
Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#58Probably an unpopular opinion, but it's sucky to see these tools constantly getting nerfed. I get that there are large questions out there about things like "browse with bing" but that's why I thought it was supposed to be a limited alpha preview. If OpenAI wants us to build workflows on their stack, they need to really crystalize and figure out what that stack is without changing the underlying stack every 5 minutes…
The constant quest for "safety" might actually be making our future much less safe. I've seen many instances of users needing to yell at, abuse, or manipulate ChatGPT to get the desired answers. This trains users to be hateful to / frustrated with AI, and if the data is used, it teaches AI that rewards come from such patterns. Wrote an article about this -- https://hackernoon.com/ai-restrictions-reinforce-abusive-use…
I doubt the frustration/swearing combo is going to be of great significance.
Yes, its insistence on verbosity gets to me too, even though (as I understand it) that verbosity is the only place it has for any extra "deep thinking" about stuff and thus actually necessary for improved performance.
But it was trained in the first place on a (filtered) form of common crawl, so it probably already had all that.
"The AI swearing" is easy mode for alignment, both because it is low-damage and the availability of trivial filter-based solutions, so it only matters to the larger alignment problem in so far as it's a warning sign we still don't know what we're doing, not in and of itself.
Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#59All this song and dance to delay the inevitable death of "ad supported journalism" by a few more months. Can't wait for open source AI to catch up and watch all these "safeguards" crumble down. Although I have a sinking feeling that they'll be in cahoots with the congress by then, protecting us from all those unauthorized non-OpenAI-bot scariness.
> they'll be in cahoots with the congress
Other countries exist. You can ban something in Country A, but that won't stop it happening in Country B.
To assume that only Country C can possibly have the knowledge/skills/expertise to do cutting edge LLM work is short-sighted and hubris at its worse
Re: OpenAI temporarily disables the Browse with Bing beta feature
#60I am sure most at OpenAI realize that they don't have a moat[0] that will keep them ahead for an extended period of time. Being a first mover does have its advantages of course, funding and resources from MSFT also help, but if they continue to (temporarily) take away features from their paying customers, are not forthcoming with whether there have been changes to in-use models and generally make it hard to rely on and trust them to deliver a consistent service, that will further people looking for alternatives, be that other competitors[1] or local models[2]. Unless they can capture regulators in ways that would make local models impossible, they have a very narrow time window to retain a large section of the market in the medium term.
Despite their best efforts at presenting themselves as the "ethical" ones in this industry and attempts to convince governments that open/local models must be regulated[3], the only way I can see them accomplishing longer term limits on local LLMs considering the many purposes GPUs and inference accelerators can serve to the public will be hard. I have said this before, but I view this similarly to the Crypto Wars[4] or more recently Nvidia LHR[5].
I can see a Clipper Chip[6] for GPUs, that tries to limit inference to features approved for the common public, (mainly gaming focused applications like DLSS) in the near future, but I am certain that like before, where there is a 10ft wall, 12ft ladders will emerge.
Basically, OpenAI must prove able to provide a consistent service to their paying customers. Do not make changes to models in production, do not take away features, if something is down provide a timeline and deprecate or replace models in a transparent manner. When the switch from the "initial" ChatGPT model to "gpt-3.5-turbo" happened, there was a lot of confusion that could have been avoided with more transparency from the outset.
[1] https://www.anthropic.com/
[2] https://huggingface.co/tiiuae/falcon-40b-instruct
[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/16/technology/openai-altman-...
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars