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Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by Lio »

smolder wrote: post #25
Matheus28 wrote: post #3

Slightly off topic but I can’t wait until there’s a 120 Hz 8K monitor. It’s the only thing holding me back from upgrading from 4K. I wonder if the current limitation is on the panels, cable bandwidth or absurd price tag…

What is your actual use case apart from technology fetishism?

I guess you could look at the use-cases for 120Hz displays on MacBook Pros.

It's useful for smoother scrolling amongst other things.

I'd like a display that has parity to my laptop but is just bigger so I can fit more on it.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by ethbr0 »

smolder wrote: post #25
Matheus28 wrote: post #3

Slightly off topic but I can’t wait until there’s a 120 Hz 8K monitor. It’s the only thing holding me back from upgrading from 4K. I wonder if the current limitation is on the panels, cable bandwidth or absurd price tag…

What is your actual use case apart from technology fetishism?

Perhaps parent is a gun shrimp or pigeon.

I try not to be overly sapien-centric when making assumptions about my fellow HN readers.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by wruza »

malfist wrote: post #6
Matheus28 wrote: post #3

Slightly off topic but I can’t wait until there’s a 120 Hz 8K monitor. It’s the only thing holding me back from upgrading from 4K. I wonder if the current limitation is on the panels, cable bandwidth or absurd price tag…

8k@120Hz is going to need one heck of a video card

Not if you ignore overhyped (imo) rtx graphics and return back to gaming worlds, instead of smoke-and-neon-lights-in-mirrors pseudorealism.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by cosmotic »

filoleg wrote: post #22
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually think Windows does it better than OS X (and Gnome, Wayland, and anything that does not support true fractional scaling). OS X just scales the entire surface and as result it always look blurry.

> OS X just scales the entire surface and as result it always look blurry. I genuinely have zero idea what you are talking about. Typing this from my macbook connected to a 5k LG ultrawide monitor, and it is as crystal sharp as it can get. As opposed to my windows 10 desktop (connected to the same monitor) having some occasional application windows render fairly blurry and inconsistently (one of the main offenders of…

When I used a 5k LG, on the lowest scaling above 100%, I would get shimmering effects when I moved windows. You could see the same art/glyph rendered differently depending on if it was on an even or odd line; move the window 1 pixel and the text totally changed. If you only ever run at integer scaling, this wouldn't be apparent.

Windows does a Much better job with non-integer scaling because hairlines are 1px no matter what the scaling and text is rendered with pixel-hinting instead of macOS's new, lame strategy of super sampling.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by Clamchop »

howinteresting wrote: post #21
stalfosknight wrote: post #17

Why is it that pretty much all displays in the PC world have such dismal pixel densities (< 226 ppi)? It would be nice to be able to shop for a new desktop display without having to give up Retina in macOS.

Most people buying high-end monitors prioritize high refresh rates over pixel densities.

High refresh rates seem to have gotten quite cheap. In addition to refresh rates, the high end is concerned with HDR, resolution, color reproduction, curve, and width, depending on the professional segment being targeted.

The products exist but they're not as numerous as I'd expect (certainly not outside of the Apple ecosystem), and it's an eye-watering leap as far as prices go, hundreds of dollars at one end and multiple thousands at the other with very little in between.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by hocuspocus »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #36
xnyanta wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS will render at the next highest integer scale factor and then downscale to fit the resolution of your monitor instead of just rendering at the fractional scale in the first place

It’s effectively supersampling. The resulting image looks excellent.

There are several scenarios where it clearly doesn't look that good, and where Windows objectively does a much better job.

Most people (and companies) aren't willing to spend $1600 on Apple's 5K monitor, so they get a good 27" UHD monitor instead, and they soon realize macOS either gives you pixel perfect rendering at a 2x scale factor which corresponds to a ridiculously small 1920x1080 viewport, or a blurry 2560x1440 equivalent.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

rektide wrote: post #19
Matheus28 wrote: post #3

Slightly off topic but I can’t wait until there’s a 120 Hz 8K monitor. It’s the only thing holding me back from upgrading from 4K. I wonder if the current limitation is on the panels, cable bandwidth or absurd price tag…

It's been pretty amazing how stagnant the monitor space is. I too am really craving an 8k@120 monitor, although there's a decent chance I'll balk at the price.

It’s crazy how much of a regression there was in resolution and picture quality when we went from CRT to LCD displays. In the late 90’s you could get a CRT that did 2048x1536 no sweat with great color and decent refresh rate. Then suddenly LCD displays became the standard and they looked awful. Low resolutions, terrible colors and bad viewing angles. The only real advantage they had was size. It took a decade or so to get back to decent resolutions and color reproduction.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by bentcorner »

I wonder what impact Apple's VR headset is going to have in, say, 10 years. Hopefully prices for their headsets as a complete unit will have dropped, and at that point, while I'm no optical scientist, we must be approaching the limits of eye clarity, no? So eventually VR headsets will offer effectively 360 degrees of "monitor" that can't be matched by any panel, and the only actual pixels they will need to produce are a postage stamp sized thing in front of your eyeball.

I can imagine that a lot of personal computing is going to transform into some kind of "screen+lens+eyeball" as COGs for these kinds of headset displays are going to be lower than traditional monitor (or possibly even smartphone) displays.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by [deleted] »

filoleg wrote: post #22
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually think Windows does it better than OS X (and Gnome, Wayland, and anything that does not support true fractional scaling). OS X just scales the entire surface and as result it always look blurry.

> OS X just scales the entire surface and as result it always look blurry. I genuinely have zero idea what you are talking about. Typing this from my macbook connected to a 5k LG ultrawide monitor, and it is as crystal sharp as it can get. As opposed to my windows 10 desktop (connected to the same monitor) having some occasional application windows render fairly blurry and inconsistently (one of the main offenders of…

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