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Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by whartung » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 6:50 PM UTC

f311a wrote: post #36

hellking4u wrote: post #30

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Doesn't Apple repair the M1 Macbooks if you take it to the Apple Store? From what I've understood, the macbook repairability issue is more to do with Apple's pricing and self-repair than the device becoming e-waste. Apple also, I think, offers trade-in for the devices, recycling the components and preventing them from becoming e-waste if the device is a total loss.

Apple replaces the whole motherboard. That’s not repair, that’s at least $1000 worth of electronics thrown away for pro max models.

That's the expedient field repair, but what happens to the motherboard afterword?

They're under no obligation to replace your motherboard with a "new" one, so it's possible that it goes back to the repair depot for actual diagnostics and repair by better trained and equipped technicians.

I have no idea, maybe they do just shred it and melt it down, but it sure doesn't seem efficient for Apple to simply toss the motherboard rather than try to repair it themselves, otherwise the repair would be vastly more expensive -- AppleCare or not.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by jmbwell » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 6:51 PM UTC

Jtsummers wrote: post #18

amoshebb wrote: post #15

Appliances that actually use energy should have this. I'd love to be able to put a wet load of laundry into my drier and press "make sure it's dry by tomorrow morning".

https://www.energystar.gov/products/smart_home_tips/about_pr... That kind of thing already exists.

I'm afraid consumers have grown leery of this kind of thing, though, between power companies messing with our cloud-enabled thermostats and appliance manufacturers harvesting data and good lord, nagging us with ads and popups and incessant updates on our damn fridges and laundry machines... not to mention transmission providers neglecting the whole scheme to death.

I've had a string of in-home energy monitors, and I've turned on all the relevent features for this, but at this point, I have disconnected everything from the internet to stop it being enshittified, and my local incumbent energy transmission provider has left all the consumer-facing smart meter services rot on the vine while the state of Texas kneecaps all the legislation that made it possible in the first place.

In short, all the industry and government entities involved have given up on the consumer here and have pissed it all away, and it's a shame.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by CyberDildonics » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 6:54 PM UTC

jbm wrote: post #9

CyberDildonics wrote: post #4

This is a pointless stunt. A refrigerator will use 10 to 20 times the electricity of phone that is going at 100% 24 hours a day. The impact of this is ultimately nothing.

I should bring up that top opening chest fridges are actually pretty great for energy efficiency! https://youtu.be/CGAhWgkKlHI The amount of electricity needed is so small that it might even be comparable (mobile so i haven't calculated yet)

You are WAY off. An efficient top freezer will still use about a kilowatt hour per day. A typical phone will use 1/100th of that.

https://ecocostsavings.com/freezer-wattage-energy-efficient/

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by npsimons » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 6:54 PM UTC

jmbwell wrote: post #52

Jtsummers wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.energystar.gov/products/smart_home_tips/about_pr... That kind of thing already exists.

I'm afraid consumers have grown leery of this kind of thing, though, between power companies messing with our cloud-enabled thermostats and appliance manufacturers harvesting data and good lord, nagging us with ads and popups and incessant updates on our damn fridges and laundry machines... not to mention transmission providers neglecting the whole scheme to death. I've had a string of in-home energy monitors, and I'…

Yup. I feel that the idea of smart interconnected devices talking to each other to decide "okay, now is when it will be most efficient to run" is a really awesome thing, but it's been ruined by capitalism. Just a race to the bottom to sell shit products and sell customer data to maximize CEOs' paychecks.

As it is, if you have the knowhow you could do it yourself. But that's a lot to ask the tech illiterati, and even I find myself just falling back to manual methods since they Just Work with no fiddling about with wires.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by Scoundreller » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 6:54 PM UTC

function_seven wrote: post #49

Scoundreller wrote: post #34

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Would make a lot of sense if it was just built into the counter-top imo.

Nah, that just makes that section of countertop "forbidden space". Can place anything on it (toaster, microwave, coffeemaker, etc.), can't use it for prep space unless you already know you won't need anything from the freezer. Can't let any dirty dishes pile up there. But why not have a chest freezer underneath the countertop, but as a pull-out drawer? Same benefits of a top opening, but no need to dedicate a section…

Not impossible but needs really heavy duty sliding drawer thingies. Usually anything I’d take out of the freezer would be taken out much in advance of meal prep to thaw (ideally in a fridge the day before).

But yeah, for a fridge, that’s not as easy.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by micromacrofoot » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 7:00 PM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #34

micromacrofoot wrote: post #17

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Absolutely terrible for usability though, which is why no one has one in their kitchen.

Would make a lot of sense if it was just built into the counter-top imo.

Until you need something from the fridge while you're cutting something on the countertop... or you spill something on the countertop and it leaks down into the fridge.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by micromacrofoot » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 7:05 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #20

micromacrofoot wrote: post #17

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Absolutely terrible for usability though, which is why no one has one in their kitchen.

But lots of people have deep refrigerators, which cause exactly the same usability problem ("most of the stuff in the fridge cannot be accessed, because the stuff between it and the door blocks it").

It doesn't really though, I've lived with a chest refrigerator so I know this experience.

With a deep fridge you can push things to the side, reach over them, etc... you can still kind of see where everything is if you move your head to look around other items.

With a chest fridge you stack everything.

This can:

* more completely obscure other items

* squish items

* require you to move items to find what you want (i.e. pile them on top of other items)

Then you have things like... cartons of milk and various other bottles, which aren't designed to be stacked vertically, but are mostly optimized to be next to other items.

You also lose the utility of having a smaller shelved door area. You can have a level of shelving in a chest refrigerator (basically sliding racks/baskets)... but these become more things you need to move to see other things. With doors they're naturally out of the way on fridge open.

You also have the problem of spills. In a standard fridge a spill means I pick up items, wipe the bottom, put them on another shelf temporarily... then wipe the shelf and replace. Needless to say, spilling anything into a chest refrigerator is a nightmare. You have to remove nearly everything... and since so much is stacked, it's much messier.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by burnte » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 7:05 PM UTC

hellking4u wrote: post #30

f311a wrote: post #23

I’m so tired of this kind of marketing. Meanwhile, if your SSD dies on m1 macbook, the laptop becomes unrepairable. If Apple would care about ecology, they would at least allow to resolder it.

Doesn't Apple repair the M1 Macbooks if you take it to the Apple Store? From what I've understood, the macbook repairability issue is more to do with Apple's pricing and self-repair than the device becoming e-waste. Apple also, I think, offers trade-in for the devices, recycling the components and preventing them from becoming e-waste if the device is a total loss.

Everything is soldiers to the mainboard, so there's no parts to swap. They swap the whole board.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by qingcharles » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 7:09 PM UTC

f311a wrote: post #36

hellking4u wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't Apple repair the M1 Macbooks if you take it to the Apple Store? From what I've understood, the macbook repairability issue is more to do with Apple's pricing and self-repair than the device becoming e-waste. Apple also, I think, offers trade-in for the devices, recycling the components and preventing them from becoming e-waste if the device is a total loss.

Apple replaces the whole motherboard. That’s not repair, that’s at least $1000 worth of electronics thrown away for pro max models.

I bet if the ECU in your car dies a technician is unable to open it and replace anything. Everything has to have a limit. How many Xboxes were thrown away because of one bad component? It sucks, but if the company has at least some program in place to try to recover as much as possible from damaged/used parts, then that's a bonus. And Apple seems to have a decent program for their iPhones at least with robots to tear them into component pieces for recycling.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by f311a » Mon, Jul 03, 2023, 7:16 PM UTC

whartung wrote: post #51

f311a wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple replaces the whole motherboard. That’s not repair, that’s at least $1000 worth of electronics thrown away for pro max models.

That's the expedient field repair, but what happens to the motherboard afterword? They're under no obligation to replace your motherboard with a "new" one, so it's possible that it goes back to the repair depot for actual diagnostics and repair by better trained and equipped technicians. I have no idea, maybe they do just shred it and melt it down, but it sure doesn't seem efficient for Apple to simply toss the mothe…

They charge you the full price of the motherboard when it’s out of warranty. Third party services can replaces SSDs on non-m1 models for 20-30% of what’s Apple charges.