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The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Everything is an accident waiting to happen. That's what an accident is. Driving to work, that's an accident waiting to happen. Consider all the poorly signed roads, drivers of various states of sobriety and rage. The sub was in use for years, they did well to engineer within their budget. There's always someone pointing out something wrong, nothing would get done if you actioned every single 'concern'

Read Nancy Levesons work on system safety and you’ll see things are not necessarily so

Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Everything is an accident waiting to happen. That's what an accident is. Driving to work, that's an accident waiting to happen. Consider all the poorly signed roads, drivers of various states of sobriety and rage. The sub was in use for years, they did well to engineer within their budget. There's always someone pointing out something wrong, nothing would get done if you actioned every single 'concern'

Hey man just letting you know in case you missed it, but this submarine catastrophically failed, killing 5 people. For this reason, I think it's a good idea to consider the reasons people called out concerns about its safety instead of brushing them off. That's just my opinion, though.

Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Everything is an accident waiting to happen. That's what an accident is. Driving to work, that's an accident waiting to happen. Consider all the poorly signed roads, drivers of various states of sobriety and rage. The sub was in use for years, they did well to engineer within their budget. There's always someone pointing out something wrong, nothing would get done if you actioned every single 'concern'

The ghost of Stockton Rush is posting in HN!

Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Photos of the recovered debris show an intact titanium end bell being lifted by a strap through where the acrylic porthole was. No sign of porthole or carbon fiber tube. Not yet clear what failed first, the tube or the porthole.

The porthole was made to withstand outside pressure, not inside, so if the tube failed --- which seems most likely given the extensive analysis about the carbon fiber --- the momentary burst of internal pressure would probably have been enough to blow the porthole out.

Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Maybe somewhat off-topic, but if you don't know, there is a video on YouTube published 11 months ago by "CBC NL - Newfoundland and Labrador" titled "This submersible takes passengers to The Titanic wreck. Climb in!" (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc ) If I put myself 11 months in the past watching that video, I would probably think this company OceanGate is so professional with zero possibility of mer…

None of them were explorers. The wreck of the Titanic is not a new discovery. They were paying passengers in an underwater ocean tourism venture.

> passengers

Except they all signed waivers, per the article, that they were mission specialists. The nuance was important and the jury is out on whether the implication was fully communicated to the people who paid to join. The article seems to indicate that it was...

Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of them were explorers. The wreck of the Titanic is not a new discovery. They were paying passengers in an underwater ocean tourism venture.

> passengers Except they all signed waivers, per the article, that they were mission specialists. The nuance was important and the jury is out on whether the implication was fully communicated to the people who paid to join. The article seems to indicate that it was...

IANAL, but I very strongly suspect that a court would rule in favor of OceanGate. I think a court would say "a mission specialist who pays you, and not the other way around, is a passenger"

Calling them anything other than passenger (per the article) was specifically designed to subvert regulations that would have required them to certify the sub. And courts don't like that very much.

Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the New Yorker, you don’t read it for the headlines. There was a fair bit of new stuff in the article.

Yes, the fact that Rush seemed to have designed the company to avoid liability with US alone is worth the read.

Exactly. I think it really shows how reckless and deceitful he was.

Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Everything is an accident waiting to happen. That's what an accident is. Driving to work, that's an accident waiting to happen. Consider all the poorly signed roads, drivers of various states of sobriety and rage. The sub was in use for years, they did well to engineer within their budget. There's always someone pointing out something wrong, nothing would get done if you actioned every single 'concern'

Negligence and contempt plays a big part in the odds though.

Re: The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”

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Everything is an accident waiting to happen. That's what an accident is. Driving to work, that's an accident waiting to happen. Consider all the poorly signed roads, drivers of various states of sobriety and rage. The sub was in use for years, they did well to engineer within their budget. There's always someone pointing out something wrong, nothing would get done if you actioned every single 'concern'

> There's always someone pointing out something wrong, nothing would get done if you actioned every single 'concern'

> someone [...] single concern

"That spring, more than three dozen industry experts sent a letter to OceanGate, expressing their “unanimous concern” about its upcoming Titanic expedition—for which it had already sold places."

More than three dozen someones. More than three dozen concerns.

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