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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by emptysongglass »

voytec wrote: post #42
KoftaBob wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also the fact that Bluesky is run by Jack That's not accurate, Jack gave the Bluesky/AT Protocol organization initial grant money, but he doesn't "run" it. The CEO is Jay Graber.

And Linda Yaccarino is Twitter's CEO. In relationships like this, the CEO (or country's president) often has handlers and little decision-making autonomy. Not saying this is the case but I'm not confident it isn't. Jack is a power-hungry opportunist who throws money at anything that can give him wealth and status in the future.

You appear to want to make this into something it isn't. Bluesky isn't beholden to Jack's wishes and has repeatedly and publicly affirmed the same.

I don't care about Jack and neither should you. Bluesky is Bluesky run by the Bluesky team. The team and what they're building should be your only concern.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by RobotToaster »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #40
RobotToaster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging by how they can apparently wipe all the data and remove people from the network on a whim, it doesn't seem very decentralised.

As far as I know, It's not decentralised at all at the moment. But do you have more info on this wiping data and removing people claim? All I've seen is people pissy because someone wasn't banned for something rather minor.

https://atproto.com/blog/federation-developer-sandbox

>Given that this is a testing environment, we will be defederating from any instances that do not abide by these guidelines

>As part of the sandbox, we will be doing routine wipes of all network data.

It seems like it's centralised on a single "Big Graph Service", even if you run your own server.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by capableweb »

threeseed wrote: post #26
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

The only people who want to run their own servers are those who haven't yet experienced the myriad of issues and risks associated with them. Not only do you have to keep it running at your expense but you need to invest significant time in moderating the content. Lest you allow illegal content e.g. CP to be hosted for which you will be legally responsible.

That's a risk for people running servers for others, not just for themselves which is what parent is talking about.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Decabytes »

mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

Is it possible to replicate bluesky by just having a mastodon server of one? As in a solo server with just you that you federate to the other servers? No issue with losing a following or not controlling the platform

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by angulardragon03 »

Decabytes wrote: post #55
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

Is it possible to replicate bluesky by just having a mastodon server of one? As in a solo server with just you that you federate to the other servers? No issue with losing a following or not controlling the platform

Yes, Mastodon has a single-user mode just for this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15515759

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by multjoy »

Decabytes wrote: post #55
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

Is it possible to replicate bluesky by just having a mastodon server of one? As in a solo server with just you that you federate to the other servers? No issue with losing a following or not controlling the platform

The problem is that a mastodon server isn't the simplest of things to setup - even if you're just doing it for you, a lot of the dependencies are predicated on other people being involved at some point.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by zimpenfish »

Decabytes wrote: post #55
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

Is it possible to replicate bluesky by just having a mastodon server of one? As in a solo server with just you that you federate to the other servers? No issue with losing a following or not controlling the platform

I've got a server[1] of one (real person - there's a bunch of my bots too) which federates quite happily.

[1] Technically three - I've got Akkoma, GotoSocial, and a Honk but I only really use the Akkoma one for "real life".

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by tonyg »

Decabytes wrote: post #55
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

Is it possible to replicate bluesky by just having a mastodon server of one? As in a solo server with just you that you federate to the other servers? No issue with losing a following or not controlling the platform

Setting up gotosocial for just me was straightforward (but not straightforward enough for someone who doesn't manage their own private little fleet of linux servers, sigh). However it doesn't work well: none of the more social elements work properly, hashtags, threads across servers etc etc. You get just the basics.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by criddell »

Hamuko wrote: post #31
codetrotter wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you guys remember when Gmail was in private beta, back when it launched, and you needed an invite? I got my invite from a website where people shared their invite links. After creating an account, and using it for a while I also got the ability to share invites with like 10 people or something. I don’t even know if doing that kind of thing would work today though, given how many spammers and such trawl the interne…

People are absolutely scraping the invite codes. It's not even hard considering that they're all /^bsky-social-[a-z0-9]{5}-[a-z0-9]{5}$/. That's why if you're begging for a Bluesky invite, you should ensure that people can actually contact you privately (which you can't do on HN).

> you can’t do on HN

You can include your email in your profile. I’ve done that and I get occasional emails from it.

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