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Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

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Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

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I don't want to be pedantic, but this is not depression. Depression is 6 months without a single high point. Depression is not a roller coaster- there are no ups. Just down. For a long fucking time. I've been depressed off and on for the past 10 years- about 5 depressive periods, each 6-18 months. I don't want to minimize the OP's struggles- he most certainly has some kind of mood disorder (possibly rapid-cycling bip…

I don't think one can say he obviously has a mood disorder. I have been running my own business for 8 years, and I can tell you while it isn't the same thing, it is tough. There are times when you get tired and you just want to lie down and rest but you can't.

It can be brutal sometimes. And we all have episodes. Sometimes I will lose a few days to one. But you stand back up and soldier through as soon as you can.

I have worked for other people and I have worked for myself, and this is something I only have experienced while self-employed. It is the flip side of being master of one's own destiny--- that is a heavy burden to bear sometimes.

I have never become suicidal or anything due to being self-employed. I HAVE had episodes that have cost me projects, money, time, and all sorts of other things.

This isn't something that can be medicated away. Even vacations don't help that much. It just requires constantly assessing balance in addition to everything else.....

Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

#52

Stop drinking and any recreational drugs immediately. You need to be having fun doing your startup or you won't be able to succeed and should do something else. So if you're spending most of your time writing code, try to make it fun again. If you can't then I recommend the following: Go and get a physical job for a few months, preferably somewhere rural. It will remind you what real hard work is like, get you physic…

One of the things that has helped me when I had more than normal of these episodes was to reserve a few hours a day to do something completely different. If I was writing software, the other side might be gardening, or studying history.

Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

#53

That pretty much nails it: "You quite simply can't change the world in a couple of years without doing more than most people do in a lifetime." Don't be depressed boss. Cheer up, and fly out to Himalayas for a small break. You'll get all the peace of mind hereand flip be ready to flip back again with full swing!

so easy said than done, I was once depressed and tears were the order of the day. I kept on convincing myself that i will be better but all was in vain. Everything you try, nothing comes out well, when you try to sleep all you see is the end of the world. Its rely a trying moment But thanks God I feel better now

I think a lot of it is a certain sort-of hypnotic quality about certain kinds of work. When you start dreaming in programming languages, or about talking with customers, etc. you are trying to hard, and it's bad.

In this case the best thing to do is to scale back. Start a hobby of something else (it doesn't matter what but it needs to be very different) and assign some time to it every day. Maybe it's gourmet cooking, or woodworking, or growing your own food.

Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

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If you have a depression you need help. Talk to your doctor, and don't dismiss the assistance of drugs. Also exercising is known to help against depression.

If you have any kind of trouble with depression the first thing you should always check is that you exercise and eat right. It really makes a huge difference. You may also need to experiment with different drugs to find one that works for you but you're wasting your time if you don't exercise. EXERCISE!

I was reading that 30 min of exercise 3 times a week is one of the most successful therapies for depression available. It doesn't mean that some people don't still need medication on top of that, but starting with the exercise (preferably something like getting out and, say, walking out-doors) is good, as is attention to diet.

Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

#55

I don't want to be pedantic, but this is not depression. Depression is 6 months without a single high point. Depression is not a roller coaster- there are no ups. Just down. For a long fucking time. I've been depressed off and on for the past 10 years- about 5 depressive periods, each 6-18 months. I don't want to minimize the OP's struggles- he most certainly has some kind of mood disorder (possibly rapid-cycling bip…

> depression is something you can get over,

Just want to point out that mild to moderate[1] depression respond well to cognitive behaviour therapy. A typical course lasts 8 weeks, but can be up to 14 weeks.

Severe depression can respond well to CBT, especially if there's other stuff (other forms of long term therapy, sometimes medication) in place.

I only say this because it's important for people who feel they are depressed to know that they're not necessarily going to be out of work for months or on weird medications for years. (Indeed, there's plenty of research showing that work is useful and not working is harmful.)

I agree there's a big difference between a carefully crafted course of therapy and an attitude of "just get over it" / "pull your socks up" / "stiff upper lip".

[1] Mild and moderate are not trivial; they can have big impacts on the life of the person with them and the people around them.

Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

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post #41

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this is one of the most frustrating things I've ever read, as well as many of the comments echoing the author. I do commend you for posting this publicly, that takes guts, but you have to do something about it. If I were your CEO, I'd insist you take a very long break, right now. You realize you're going to die, in the best case, 70 to 80 years from now, yeah? Likely much s…

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Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

#57
OP - I'm sad that you had such a bad experience with meds, and I'm sad that experience makes you not trust doctors. You should be in control of any medication you take, and if it has bad side-effects your doctor should be willing to change meds.

Please may I make some suggestions? I have no medical training, and it's a good idea to talk to doctors.

1) Make a "rainy day action plan" and give it to someone you trust. This would have a list of signs that things are not going well (either too high or too low) and that you might need some help. It would include a list of things to do, and people to contact, when you do need help. It would also include any "Advance Directives" (written instructions for clinicians about your future treatment) I don't know if they exist in your country, but they're a strong and useful tool in the UK.

2) Consider regular vigorous exercise. There's plenty of evidence that good exercise helps lift moods. Be careful when you're feeling up that you do not over-exercise.

3) Consider being very careful with the amount of alcohol you drink. Alcohol depresses mood. Sometimes people feel the effect for a day or so after drinking even a small amount. This is especially important if you're drinking alone. (The UK has the concept of "units" for public health about drinking. If you're drinking more than 21 units a week, without 48 hour breaks after a heavy drink session, you may be risky for physical harm)

4) Consider being careful with caffeine. Some people feel the affect more strongly than others.

5) Consider "sleep hygiene". Sleep is often disturbed with mood disorders. Sleep hygiene is the first line treatment. Then you could try CBT for sleep disorders if you can find it. Otherwise a short course of a z drug may help kick you back into a sleep rhythm.

Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I concur that diet and general physical well-being, as well as social interactions, do indeed matter very much, and apparently heavily influence in often not obvious ways our mood and outlook.

Whilst I'm sure all these suggestions may help to some extent, none of them address the underlying issues. This isn't something that can be cured by vitamin pills or bike rides. The only solution is a complete lifestyle change which the author admits he can't make at the minute. My worry is that well meant suggestions like the above may sound flippant to someone in the depths of depression (I'd frankly be upset if I…

> I guess the best short-term suggestion is just to talk to someone about it.

Research shows that "just talking about it" is not effective for depression and most other mental health problems. There are effective talking therapies.

Re: Sad, Tired, and Alone: My Ongoing Battle With Startup Depression

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post #15

Hi, Thanks for writing this, it's a brave and open and honest thing to do where people are afraid of doing those things. At a certain point, we have to get over what others think and get to figuring out what we think, and how it should be. I believe a person does whatever they do to find a certain amount of peace in themselves and their lives. I'd like to share some scraps I've scraped together on finding, and keepin…

Keep moving. Inward, onward, upward.

An absolute gem. If there is something I could possibly add to this wonderful summary, it'd be to further stress the importance of peace in our lives.

I am yet to really experience a startup first-hand but have had a strong bipolar commotion only recently. I really can connect with what Zak feels and no amount of persuasion can repel that feeling of emptiness.

When you go through the lows it's hard not to get hit by the enormity of it all. You begin to see just how puny an existence you truly are. And at the same time how lucky to have all those people who are there for you no matter what. Deep gratitude overwhelms you.

I don't think I can add much about fighting startup depression though I wish to share this one thing I came to learn. And that is that peace cannot be bought. You have to earn it. And that success does not cut it. You have to let go of things that hold you back.

Happiness is essentially a habit. Fall in love again. Do crazy things. Life is hard and startups harder. But kudos to friends that make the gloomy bits easier to handle. :)

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