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Is it possible that the amount of assault is relatively unrelated to total ridership? Like the number of criminal assholes in the community is about the same regardless of how many people use mass transit?
The point is that with a constant amount of assaults, and fewer potential victims, you are more likely to be a victim.
BART ridership is still down nearly 70% from pre-Covid levels
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DC areas metro is facing a good 3/4 billion$ shortfall too, with federal support ending. We have the added shitshow of being a metro system spanning three different states. No one wants to pay, no one feels responsible; it's a mess.
Lol I see what u did there! Nice try, but the metro does not span 3 states. It spans 2 states and a federal territory. Nice try though.
Re: BART ridership is still down nearly 70% from pre-Covid levels
#53The core problem is assholes on the trains. People stopped riding because there’s either someone dangerous, someone crazy, or someone tweaked out. Literally on every Bart car, probably 2/3 of the time I ride. I end up using the Bart watch app to report this stuff every other time I ride. One guy tried to light a seat in fire. Another tailgated me through the gates and proceeded to push past me. Another was slumped ov…
that will never ever happen.
I remember 15 years ago reading about how much BART police get paid, was supposed to be way up there to the point people got upset about it
Re: BART ridership is still down nearly 70% from pre-Covid levels
#54The core problem is assholes on the trains. People stopped riding because there’s either someone dangerous, someone crazy, or someone tweaked out. Literally on every Bart car, probably 2/3 of the time I ride. I end up using the Bart watch app to report this stuff every other time I ride. One guy tried to light a seat in fire. Another tailgated me through the gates and proceeded to push past me. Another was slumped ov…
The disconnect is frustrating though. Middle and low income people do not trust the police. Don't believe me? Just listen in on any public meeting. Multiple community members and community groups call in to talk about how much they hate the police. Nobody calls in about how much they were helped by the police, unless they live in a wealthy district.
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I’m a little confused by the reasoning here. You state that peak (commute) traffic is recovering but off-peak is still low, due to WFH? Wouldn’t WFH be impacting peak hours, with off-peak at all-time-low due to other things like leisure travel?
I'm not 100% on my reasoning, so I welcome alternate explanations. I suspect that a lot of part-time or odd-hour positions were most impacted by WFH. I'm guessing many of these have gone remote. Moreover, headway was cut back during the pandemic so folks who absolutely had to go into their positions may have invested in a car and don't feel the need to get back on transit because traffic off-peak is not too bad.
If thats when peak hours are
Re: BART ridership is still down nearly 70% from pre-Covid levels
#56Please remember that we are all one missed paycheck from smoking meth and jerking off on the train
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I rode the DC metro with family because I was warned about parking and traffic in DC. BIG MISTAKE! On the second day I took a car, and it took 1/3 the time, and 1/10 the cost EVEN with searching and paying for parking. Public transit should be free.
Farebox recovery is so damn low that I can only think the fares remain as an excuse to kick homeless and other undesirables off who aren’t technically breaking any rules or laws.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m a little confused by the reasoning here. You state that peak (commute) traffic is recovering but off-peak is still low, due to WFH? Wouldn’t WFH be impacting peak hours, with off-peak at all-time-low due to other things like leisure travel?
I'm not 100% on my reasoning, so I welcome alternate explanations. I suspect that a lot of part-time or odd-hour positions were most impacted by WFH. I'm guessing many of these have gone remote. Moreover, headway was cut back during the pandemic so folks who absolutely had to go into their positions may have invested in a car and don't feel the need to get back on transit because traffic off-peak is not too bad.
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#59I think BART is the perfect storm of commuter railroads that aren't going to recover. San Francisco is tech heavy, and tech still seems pretty work-from-home heavy. A problem I always wondered about is whether or not BART was the right system for San Francisco, as it seems a lot of the big companies are out in the suburbs and never had public transportation. I walked from the Mountain View train station to the Google…
Re: BART ridership is still down nearly 70% from pre-Covid levels
#60As the article states, the reason why BART is so heavily impacted is because it was mostly designed as commuter rail. BART is unique in that historically it paid most of its costs in farebox revenue. While peak-hour (morning and evening commute) ridership is catching up again (BART publishes numbers so you can check the work here), usage outside of peak hours is at an all-time low because of the increase of WFH jobs.…
Any source for that?
For BART numbers:
1. Is it traffic across the bay?
2. Or total traffic?
Edit: Digging up some data, I think it is #2, which seems a weird number to use.
BART total per day: ~400k Bay Bridge per day: ~200k
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco–Oakland_Bay_Brid...
https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/docs/June18FactShee...