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Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

ftxbro wrote: post #49
likeabbas wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand, and I'm trying to explain how your options don't make sense in the context of the senators' recent actions. I take offense to your edit. I'm not being a religious zealot saying God has to exist. If you understood anything about the US security clearance system, you would know that everyone has to undergo a rigorous psychological evaluation every 5 years to keep their Top Secret SCI clearance. You can no…

> "You can not be unwell and be an intelligence officer at the level of Grusch." OK but I think it's more likely that he's mistaken or misinformed or unwell or lying for some other reason, than that it's aliens or a psyop.

Again, why would congress include these provisions in the next NDAA if they didn’t think Grusch’s comments held enough weight?

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Post by likeabbas »

ftxbro wrote: post #48
likeabbas wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand, and I'm trying to explain how your options don't make sense in the context of the senators' recent actions. I take offense to your edit. I'm not being a religious zealot saying God has to exist. If you understood anything about the US security clearance system, you would know that everyone has to undergo a rigorous psychological evaluation every 5 years to keep their Top Secret SCI clearance. You can no…

> "I take offense to your edit. I'm not being a religious zealot saying God has to exist. " I take offense to your edit that takes offense to my edit. I'm not accusing you of being a religious zealot saying God has to exist. I had even gone out of my way in my post to clarify that, in case you had a hard time understanding analogies. At this point I have to imagine that you understand my point and you are just preten…

No, I just don’t like being compared to someone believing something blind. If Grusch was alleging that there are undisclosed programs reverse engineering other country technology, it would be taken seriously. But the subject brings stigma and that’s what needs to change. We shouldn’t be afraid to investigate these claims just because they seem incredibly outlandish.

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Post by jprd »

celtoid wrote: post #25

"And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We’re going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens’, and all of it, he said, is a lie.” -Werner von Braun to Carol Rosin [0] [0] https://www.texasoutlawwriters.com/the-last-card/

A story written by someone who is relating an interview conducted by Dr. Steven Greer, of the former spokesperson of a Nazi who was dying of cancer.

I want to believe, but not like this.

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Post by andrewstuart »

christophilus wrote: post #46
andrewstuart wrote: post #8

There's no aliens anywhere near earth. There really aren't. Given the staggering, likely impossible task of traveling between the stars, it's essentially impossible that they'd turn up on a planet with this many people and be so in tune with our technology and media that they manage to stay out of sight entirely, except for some government secret Area 53 base or whatever. If you think that traveling between the stars…

That video was excellent, for anyone who runs across this comment and dismisses it for being dismissive, I recommend the watch.

It's when he jumps in the car and drives 200km that brings home the point.

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Post by likeabbas »

AlexandrB wrote: post #36
behrlich wrote: post #24

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> These allegations are incredibly serious. There are only two outcomes from here: either he is lying and this is some big government psy-op, or he is telling the truth. Either way, congress should investigate and get to the bottom of this. This is what is so frustrating about everyone dismissing this so off hand. Don't you at least want to get to the bottom of how large numbers of high ranking government officials h…

Was _something_ happening with "Havana Syndrome"? In the end, doesn't seem so. In both cases Occam's Razor points to a bunch of people simply being fooled by their senses and doubling down on that time and time again. Meanwhile we'll waste a whole bunch of money chasing phantoms.

The Havana syndrome stuff is still highly classified. From what I’ve heard, there’s something going on there.

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Post by lusus_naturae »

This weather phenomena is something that might be of interest to this thread: https://earthsky.org/earth/best-photos-beautiful-lenticular-...

But I think more than that it's important to be aware that many contractors and govts. conduct tests that aren't public or even inter-agency knowledge. Projects are need to know, even for people with the highest clearances.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by lusus_naturae »

likeabbas wrote: post #11

To try to catch hacker news up to the situation: David Grusch, A former NGA intelligence officer has recently come forward with allegations that there are waived, unacknowledged Special Access Programs that are reverse engineering non-human technology, and that these programs have not had proper congressional oversight. Why should we give him the time of day? Well, he was one of the highest intelligence officials in…

I want to know how it was ascertained that this technology is "non-human".

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Post by likeabbas »

ttctciyf wrote: post #45
caladin wrote: post #28

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No. Kirsten Gillibrand has been active in it alongside Rubio. See https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/gillibr...

Well, ok, but she isn't coming out of the UFO closet in quite the same way; where Rubio directly bolsters, Gillibrand has "no idea" of the veracity of Grusch's claims[1] and seems to be more focused on getting oversight on "rogue Special Access Programs": > “We need to just look into whether there are rogue SAP programs that no one is providing oversight for,” says Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a New York Democrat who…

Gillibrand's actions are speaking louder than what she's saying. https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/senate-intelligence-bill-giv...

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

ftxbro wrote: post #43
likeabbas wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand, and I'm trying to explain how your options don't make sense in the context of the senators' recent actions. I take offense to your edit. I'm not being a religious zealot saying God has to exist. If you understood anything about the US security clearance system, you would know that everyone has to undergo a rigorous psychological evaluation every 5 years to keep their Top Secret SCI clearance. You can no…

I'm not surprised that congress told someone to make a list or that someone might give misinformed testimony to congress. I think those are more likely than aliens or psyop.

Why are you ignoring the fact that the senators have been convinced to add provisions regarding "non-earth origin" technology. That's a significant claim

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Post by phs318u »

philipkglass wrote: post #42
andrewstuart wrote: post #8

There's no aliens anywhere near earth. There really aren't. Given the staggering, likely impossible task of traveling between the stars, it's essentially impossible that they'd turn up on a planet with this many people and be so in tune with our technology and media that they manage to stay out of sight entirely, except for some government secret Area 53 base or whatever. If you think that traveling between the stars…

The hypothetical aliens don't need to be mortal biological creatures. An advanced probe "crewed" by artificial intelligence could take thousands of years to send copies of itself from one star to the next using propulsion concepts from the 1960s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracewell_probe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propuls... They could have have arrived in the solar system 100 million ye…

To be honest, the hardest thing for me to believe with this hypothesis is the possibility of a society that can not only survive for 100 million years, but maintain an interest in a subject for that long.
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