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Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Ah yes ignore the money printing, certainly all of this inflation is the private sector! Where are the price caps?!?

how do you explain the fact that gazillions were printed for decades without much meaningful inflation? japan being the printiest of them all having had the least inflation of all crickets huh

They hadn't even hit a trillion in 2010. Since then they've printed 1.3 trillion. 500 billion in the 3 years. I think the amount matters.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Inflation is caused by monetary policy.

Did profits increase? Potentially, yes. But they couldn't have increased without the enabling condition of massive money printing.

Companies were trying to maximize profits before 2020. That hasn't changed. What changed was the monetary policy.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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The interesting thing about the graph is, as far back as it goes, the contributors fluctuate but seem not unusual or unexpected. So companies are not extraordinarily greedy right now, they act the same as ever, just more do so.

My personal, uneducated, unverified hypothesis was that companies overcompensate price increases for three main reasons:

* They assume consumers dislike many small price increases. The current increase, therefore, has to last until the next oportunity.

* They expect an economic downturn, and want to extract as much money in preparation of the reduction (ironically fueling the downturn).

* They use the opportunity to adjust to what they expect the market would accept, because they assume PR backlash if they do it without a reason.

I think the last one is a form of "market inefficiency" but one that generally benefits consumers.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"corporate and conservative propaganda" Most center-left economists are pretty dismissive of the idea that inflation is a corporate-profits-driven phenomenon too.

I'd argue that there always must be something else at play in addition to greed. Greed is a given and the driver of the economy. Companies don't suddenly decide that maybe they should increase profits. So it's imperative to understand why they were able to increase profit margins without competition taking their market share. IMO that tells us what intervention is needed. The ideal market is companies at a constant k…

I'd argue that there doesn't have to be any secret reason. You say that greed "is a given" as an argument that there must be something mysterious going on, but raising prices when you can get away with it is no less a given.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36483676

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Danone, Kellogg among 75 companies France has asked for price cuts https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/danone-kell... ----- Meanwhile, in the US: Car Dealer Markups Helped Drive Inflation, Study Finds: The money dealers charged over makers’ suggested prices factored into a nearly 16% rise in the consumer-price index in recent years https://www.wsj.com/articles/car-dealer-markups-helped-drive...

Combine that with the fact that many states have made direct-to-consumer sales illegal [1]. Pure rent-seeking and regulatory capture from dealerships. Similar with hospitals: certificate of need laws [2] mean that you need to go to your direct competitors to ask for their permission to start a new hospital. Imagine if to open a pastry shop you needed a permission from every other pastry shop in the city. When someone says: capitalism is bad, ask - what capitalism? We don't have one.

[1] https://www.wispolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/State... (PDF)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_need?useskin=mo...

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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I think this talk about costs vs profits sounds important to lay people, but is completely irrelevant. Companies do not price goods based on the goodness of their hearts. They price it at the point that maximizes volume*(unit price-COGS). Companies are constantly testing this price point. For example, a promotion may produce data that can indicate how consumers will respond to a price change. In an inflationary perio…

> Companies do not price goods based on the goodness of their hearts.

Governments etc. argue that employees should not demand higher pay to match inflation to avoid a "spiral" out of the goodness of their hearts.

If employers catch the absolute currency value increase of inflation the employee employer balance is shifting.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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I find it hilarious when companies are following their stated goal of making profits, while everybody else is rushing to explaining rising prices by factoring in everything but profits.

Companies were also seeking to maximize prices in the previous decade of record low inflation.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OR governments have demonstrated that they can take extreme decisions without warning, so businesses price accordingly. If you operate in this economy with unstable decision-making, then it creates margins to prepare padding. Even if all businesses were cash-flow-positive during Covid, the environment is still more unstable.

This. If govs can print out 2x the money supply in a few years, you want to “cash out” profits as fast as possible instead of reinvesting them.

Federal reserve is independent of government.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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TLDR: * Profits: 45 percent * Import costs: 40 percent * Labour costs: 25 percent Somehow obviously arriving at 110%? "As the Chart of the Week shows, the higher inflation so far mainly reflects higher profits and import prices, with profits accounting for 45 percent of price rises since the start of 2022." "Import costs accounted for about 40 percent of inflation, while labor costs accounted for 25 percent. Taxes ha…

Why were corporations settling for such comparatively low profits before 2022?

Most prices are "sticky" -- they don't change prices continuously like the prices of commodities and stock prices do, they have a sticker price that changes irregularly.

Since they change less frequently, changes are larger.

Example: assume the price of wheat sees steady inflation at 5%/year, and the price changes every day.

Also assume that the cost of manufacturing a loaf of bread is solely dependent on the price of wheat, but because it's sold retail, it's price is sticky, and only changes every second year.

So the annual inflation on the price of bread fluctuates between 0% and 10%.

On the year the price goes up profits increase and on the year the price doesn't increase, profits go down.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"corporate and conservative propaganda" Most center-left economists are pretty dismissive of the idea that inflation is a corporate-profits-driven phenomenon too.

I'd argue that there always must be something else at play in addition to greed. Greed is a given and the driver of the economy. Companies don't suddenly decide that maybe they should increase profits. So it's imperative to understand why they were able to increase profit margins without competition taking their market share. IMO that tells us what intervention is needed. The ideal market is companies at a constant k…

There is no competition! There is like three companies on the shelf - hawking 12 different "brands".
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