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Re: The Mounting Minuses at Google+

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Post by wyclif »

xxbondsxx wrote: post #36
untog wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I want to post publicly to my "followers" (people I don't know) I use Twitter, [...] I still don't understand what Google was thinking with + How about publicly post long form content to your followers? Because G+ excels in that, and both Facebook and Twitter fail at it. There's a network effect problem, for sure, but it does have a purpose in the situation you outline.

Tumblr and other blogging platforms integrate into Facebook, and can drive a ton of traffic to your long-form content from there with short story previews or thumbnails. It's not the most seamless transition, but the functionality exists

The problem with Tumblr is that it's down a lot. I use it, but it suffers from reliability issues and has for a long time.

Re: The Mounting Minuses at Google+

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Post by aufreak3 »

rryan wrote: post #11

Google+ fills a void for me most similar to a mix between Twitter and HN. The discussions are what makes it shine. Why doesn't this happen on Facebook or Twitter? Here's what I think: For most people, Facebook is just the wrong context for intellectual discussions. Similarly, Twitter's medium and user interface are too limiting to have quality discussions since there is no centralized concept of a post. It's just a s…

I find use for G+ due to the same higher intellect density that my circles generate on it.

If Google were really interested in integrating their crawling search with social search, they'd provide a "share this search with your circles" feature on the google search page, together with some descriptive text that you add like in a normal G+ post .. so people in my circles can respond with results that they think are relevant/related/tangential/interesting/whatever.

Re: The Mounting Minuses at Google+

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Post by ScottWhigham »

lomegor wrote: post #6

Every time one of these articles come out, my Google+ stream fills with this stories. In fact, I read it first on Google+ than on Hacker News. If you are on Google+, and you participate, you will notice that it's a big success. I'm not saying this because I love Google, I'm saying it because it's almost the only social network I feel compelled to use.

"If you are on Google+, and you participate, you will notice that it's a big success."

Can you explain that more? I'm on G+ and I participate but I have seen no evidence that "it's a big success."

Re: The Mounting Minuses at Google+

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Post by brohee »

magicalist wrote: post #48
yason wrote: post #28

A marking difference is that Facebook asks "What's on your mind?" and Google+ asks "Share what's new...". G+ isn't really a social network, it's an extension to my Google profile and Google account. I would like to use it as my social network but it's lacking a couple of crucial things. The reason it's suited for almost sharing news only and as an ad-hoc blogging service is because it doesn't allow you to actually be…

Agreed. There were suggestions early on that you can just make a post limited to one person (instead of a circle or public), but for some reason that feels really awkward even though it's easy to do. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe because it ends up in the same stream as everything else?

The main issue with posting to only one person is that the person doesn't know it is actually private, at least it didn't have any marking the last time I tried. The feature would be perfect if there was a message saying "this post have been shared with you exclusively, your replies will only be seen by the original poster".

Re: The Mounting Minuses at Google+

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Post by ragmondo »

AllenKids wrote: post #46

Last time I checked G+ my feed looks like a mix of photo gallery and Google fan club. It is really really weird. All social groups have circle-jerky tendency, none is as apparent at the scale as G+

I couldn't be bothered to type it but now you have I'll add "me too". I even added a post entitled "Google+ test" (or something like that) and a paragraph about how I wasn't sure exactly how it was better than twitter or facebook. And I posted a few grumbles about Android phones (real grumbles, not just anti-fanboi stuff)..... And all I saw in my stream were Googlers posting pictures being praised by there 5000+ followers.

Re: The Mounting Minuses at Google+

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Post by psipwnage »

The problem with Google+ is that people inside Google saw the things that were going wrong with it and the executive team didn't listen. A lot of them were punished. People were fired over RN advocacy, and the person who tried to save the Games product from failure had a manager push him out through various abuse-of-process tactics enabled by their ludicrous "perf" system. (Interesting fact: Google has two weeks every year where nothing gets done because everyone-- not just managers-- has to drop everything and write performance reviews.)

Google now has huge internal morale problems because of Google+ and the culture is falling to pieces. That, in my opinion, is why it will never succeed.

Re: The Mounting Minuses at Google+

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Post by lomegor »

ScottWhigham wrote: post #54
lomegor wrote: post #6

Every time one of these articles come out, my Google+ stream fills with this stories. In fact, I read it first on Google+ than on Hacker News. If you are on Google+, and you participate, you will notice that it's a big success. I'm not saying this because I love Google, I'm saying it because it's almost the only social network I feel compelled to use.

"If you are on Google+, and you participate, you will notice that it's a big success." Can you explain that more? I'm on G+ and I participate but I have seen no evidence that "it's a big success."

What I meant is that it's a product that's here to stay. Maybe I went too far with the word big , but it's a success in that it has gained enough momentum to be really useful to a large amount of people.

Re: The Mounting Minuses at Google+

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Post by lomegor »

psipwnage wrote: post #57

The problem with Google+ is that people inside Google saw the things that were going wrong with it and the executive team didn't listen. A lot of them were punished. People were fired over RN advocacy, and the person who tried to save the Games product from failure had a manager push him out through various abuse-of-process tactics enabled by their ludicrous "perf" system. (Interesting fact: Google has two weeks ever…

Wow, really? Can you provide a source for that claims? Maybe it's in the article but I didn't see it.
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