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Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by none_to_remain »

kibwen wrote: post #38
unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

There's nothing ironic about this, the whole point of a federated system is that instances have the power to decide who's a part of their network.

I think many people implicitly desire that the federation graph is complete, or practically nearly-complete with some pariah servers cut off. To put it differently, they want to be "user@host" in a system with a global namespace, not "user" in the "host" namespace with patchy access to others.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#52

Post by Thorrez » 

    This site can’t provide a secure connection
    redditmigration.com uses an unsupported protocol.
    ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH
I think for different people the hostname resolves to different IPs, and some IPs are broken. For me it resolves to 44.227.76.166 .

    curl -v https://redditmigration.com/ --resolve redditmigration.com:443:44.227.76.166
    * Added redditmigration.com:443:44.227.76.166 to DNS cache
    * Hostname redditmigration.com was found in DNS cache
    *   Trying 44.227.76.166...
    * TCP_NODELAY set
    * Connected to redditmigration.com (44.227.76.166) port 443 (#0)
    * ALPN, offering h2
    * ALPN, offering http/1.1
    * Cipher selection: ALL:!EXPORT:!EXPORT40:!EXPORT56:!aNULL:!LOW:!RC4:@STRENGTH
    * successfully set certificate verify locations:
    *   CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
      CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
    * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS header, Certificate Status (22):
    * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
    * TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS header, Unknown (21):
    * TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS alert, Server hello (2):
    * error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure
    * Curl_http_done: called premature == 1
    * stopped the pause stream!
    * Closing connection 0
    curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#53

Post by natch »

slekker wrote: post #42
lolinder wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

selfhosted@lemmy.world is very active.

short rant: one thing I dislike about these ActivityPub links is that given it is parsed as an email, you cannot click it. Plus, I have no idea how this “email” translates to the actual URL I am supposed to use.

I think those in the bubbleverse think of that as a feature, not a bug.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#54

Post by viraptor »

jakecopp wrote: post #49
unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

That's a feature, not a bug. Moderation in the fediverse (inc. Mastodon & Lemmy) means defederating from "problematic" instances, where problematic is defined in the rules of the server doing the federating server (which appears to be documented at https://beehaw.org/instances ) This means moderation happens at a community & instance level rather than global moderation. Please correct me if I'm missing something - I'…

That's correct. Defereration is a moderation tool. There are instances which explicitly cater to bad behaviour and they will be dropped by many others. It's fine. (Yes yes, it's not perfect and random problems do happen)

It's actually problematic when instances get too large to fail (like the two biggest mastodon ones), because when their mods cannot cope anymore, you can't realistically ban the whole insurance - too many users would be affected.

But that's still better than a single global namespace where you have to deal with single accounts every time.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#55

Post by Semaphor »

neltnerb wrote: post #48
Semaphor wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you are on neither you can certainly federate with both. Yeah, forgot to mention that not exactly unimportant part, I’m on neither myself and can use them just fine -.- edited it in. Regarding duplicate communities, I think one of the most important features needed will be something like multi-subs as reddit had it. Right now, I can’t just read all my technology subs without opening them one by one. This will on…

If servers stay at a size that they can be handled by volunteer staff, I don't think you'll see defederation as any kind of normal thing to do. I think the worry is overblown. Same as any other service, if you're willing to follow the rules of the stricter instance you can interact with it. If your instance won't abide by the stricter rules, so it goes. I will be curious to see how it goes indeed. I hope the trend is…

> I can't really think of any way to merge comment threads if multiple instances somehow shared a magazine despite having different mods. Can you imagine if half the comments in a thread vanished because a server shut down? I'm not sure that's even conceptually doable.

Not true merging, just a view to have multiple communities in one place. Maybe even with some extra interaction, like automatic crossposting & links to crossposted threads, but that’s future talk and nothing I put thought in. For now, I’d be happy with just being able to create multi’s exactly like on reddit.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#57

Post by Cthulhu_ »

unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

And there you have it. Reddit has solved both performance / scalability and moderation, and thinking it can be solved by going distributed / federated is naive. Every Reddit alternative has failed / is not as successful is because of this.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#58

Post by londons_explore »

none_to_remain wrote: post #51
kibwen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing ironic about this, the whole point of a federated system is that instances have the power to decide who's a part of their network.

I think many people implicitly desire that the federation graph is complete, or practically nearly-complete with some pariah servers cut off. To put it differently, they want to be "user@host" in a system with a global namespace, not "user" in the "host" namespace with patchy access to others.

This.

I don't want 10 user accounts in 10 places to access the stuff I want to access.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#59

Post by solveit »

unclekev wrote: post #43
kibwen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing ironic about this, the whole point of a federated system is that instances have the power to decide who's a part of their network.

> have the power to decide who's a part of their network. Former Reddit mods are going to love this feature. Now when they are power-tripping or they don't agree with another instances users views on a topic, instead of just banning the users, they can ban entire instances/communities from participating in one fell swoop.

Reddit mods already have bots that do this for them. Subscribing to/commenting in the wrong subreddit will get you banned from a whole host of subreddits.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by jrflowers »

unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

What does irony mean?
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