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‘The Force has left Lucasfilm’: how Disney can salvage its $4B investment
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#52> “The problem isn’t Kathleen Kennedy.” I am not entirely sure that matters. Pissed-off fans undoubtedly want to see metaphorical blood for what, to their eyes, was a forced, ideologically-driven tarnishing of their childhood memories. At the end of the day, the buck stops at the top. Chapman was already punted as a general scapegoat, but is it enough?
> a forced, ideologically-driven tarnishing of their childhood memories I'm sure there is a minority that believes this, but the majority know that there is no ideological drive, only a greed one. Alignment with current social issues happens based on calculations of profit, not based on sincere ideological commitment. Making good movies is hard, making movies following current social issues is easy. Both bring money,…
> Alignment with current social issues happens based on calculations of profit, not based on sincere ideological commitment.
Yeah, Bud Light was just “calculating profit” when it alienated its customer base.
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#53>The third Skywalker trilogy started off with a bang in late 2015 with The Force Awakens, only to end with a whimper four years later as fans deserted the franchise. The Rise of Skywalker grossed over a billion dollars at the box office. The current crop of TV shows are some of the most popular things on TV. That isn't what I'd call "desertion". Disney can milk Star Wars for years to come. It wouldn't surprise me if…
Exactly, people need to stop pretending Star Wars is something it isn't.
It ain't high science fiction, it ain't some coherent canon of beautiful authentic story telling.
Apart from Rogue One and Andor, it's space shows for kids. The plots never made total sense, the acting was always corny, the writing wasn't exactly tight. All the way back to A New Hope.
It's pew-pew-pew blasters in space, bad guys vs good guys, etc.
I hated the sequels, they were awful, each in their own unique way. Abrams makes garbage stories from whatever he touches these days. But he makes garbage that makes money, and that's really what it's about.
Public hands over $$, gets to see shiny space battles with a dose of nostalgia. That's what they're paying for, whether the true fans complain or not.
Myself, I hated the prequels, too, but I rewatched them recently with my adolescent son, though, and he was fine with them and, yeah... because as cheez and corny and incoherent as they were, that's what Star Wars is.
I'll save my purism for Dune.
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#54Re: ‘The Force has left Lucasfilm’: how Disney can salvage its $4B investment
#55> Now that growth has faltered, with 4 million customers canceling their membership in the three months through March
I had read that most of that cancellation was due to Disney+ losing the rights to Cricket matches in India. Was that not the case? I think I only saw it in threads here and Twitter, so I don't know if it is true or not.
Edit: Hmm, that seems to be true: https://qz.com/disney-is-losing-subscribers-with-the-loss-of... claims that the loss from Cricket is 4.6 million.
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#57I am going to lose some karma over that comment:
As someone who has not watched star wars before being adult but is pretty fond of fantasy and sci-fi, I am wondering if the simplest explanation for the constant disappointments is that the universe and source material are not that great in the first place. Is it possible that in 2023, a good chunk of the love for star war movies is due to fond childhood/90's memories that are impossible to recapture? I am hard pressed to find people that became passionated about star wars by discovering them late in their life.
If I am right, then what to do? People are going to be unhappy if the franchise tries to modernize itself and make drastic changes, but they will also be unhappy if they get more of the same because it won't have the madeleine effect.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They're ruining Marvel properties as well. They care more about pushing progressive ideologies you sound like someone has never read a Marvel comic book in their life.
That's ignorant, I own thousands of both Marvel and DC comics from the 90s and 2000s.
Not as ignorant as claiming Disney is ruining Marvel by "pushing progressive ideologies"
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#59The new trilogy killed my interest in the franchise and I was a lifelong fan.
Andor was decent
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#60> At the heart of this mess is Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy Took too long for the article to mention this. How can she possibly still have a job? It was her call to hire 3 different directors for the sequels (initially, I know Abrams came back) with no agreed upon direction of the plot . Complain about Rian Johnson’s (awful) episode 8, but ultimately it was Kennedy that gave him free reins to do what he wante…
This is interesting to me because it's so at odds with how I took in the new trilogy. I thought only Johnson showed any vision at all, and I also thought his sense of small scale combat choreography was way better, e.g. the scene where Adam Driver and Rey fight those guys in the red suits.
JJ's movies were so derivative of the original trilogy I sometimes wondered if he was messing with us, e.g. the scenewhere a character says, if I recall, "it's just like the death star!" once they've unveiled...another death star.
But yes, the fact that the three movies don't gel whatsoever, in terms of tone or plot, seems like a management issue. Really puts into perspective what the folks at Marvel have pulled off.
The X-Men and DCEU movies seem like a similar story.