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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thekevan »

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories?

It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable.

It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jonathan Grey. (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2241801/)

I'd love to think that alien contact is possible, but as I attempt to learn more and more about physics, travel approaching the speed of light, the mechanics that transformed us from a basic life form to a life form with a consciousness, it just seem incredibly unlikely sadly.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by BasedAnon »

DrBazza wrote: post #48

Never in human history have we had so many high quality cameras in the hands of so many people. And still no pictures of ufos. Or Bigfoot. Or Nessie.

Actually we do have good pictures of Nessie, which is how figured out 'she' was actually just a whale penis

Edit: apparently this is actually bs

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mywittyname »

gumballindie wrote: post #12
jossclimb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's for the same reason when you find yourself being forced to enter a 'state' on a website address form , yet you're not from the US.

Most likely. It find it funny when aliens in movies almost always land in the us. It may be the world’s most awesome country, but wouldnt at least some of these aliens be curious about german beer or south korean food?

You can clearly see the electric lights of population centers from space. If aliens were doing surveillance, they'd probably stick to the darker spots.

After all, out planet is surrounded by artificial satellites, and we make no attempt to hide them. So clearly some humans are capable of putting things into orbit, and those things could be weapons.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wizofaus »

petilon wrote: post #35
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

4. Time-traveling humans from the future. Don't discount that possibility!

I do. If it were possible we'd surely see them everywhere. Even if time travel was a one-way trip there's enough future billions of us that there'd be massive numbers with the sort of incurable fascination seth the past that they'd be motivated to travel back and see what it was like. Doesn't really seem any more or less likely than alien intelligence at any rate.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by tiffanyh »

If true, I'm curious to know how the government even came into possession of such non-human aircraft.

E.g.

- did they shoot it down? (this seems to contradict the claims that the aircraft can perform unrealistic maneuvers like massive acceleration / extreme changes in vector)

- did some random farmer stumble upon the craft? (then why didn't the farmer post photos of it online and/or speaking out about it)

- where was it found and where is it today?

Note: I'm not saying there isn't ET. But some first principle questions seems like they need to be answered before people jump to conclusions.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Firmwarrior »

gumballindie wrote: post #12
jossclimb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's for the same reason when you find yourself being forced to enter a 'state' on a website address form , yet you're not from the US.

Most likely. It find it funny when aliens in movies almost always land in the us. It may be the world’s most awesome country, but wouldnt at least some of these aliens be curious about german beer or south korean food?

That's weird, when I watch Japanese TV shows a disproportionate amount of the aliens go to Japan

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Firmwarrior »

NickC25 wrote: post #8
dumpsterdiver wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No more tithing or mandatory donations to a god when there are now species from another planet coming and going as they please, and are likely thousands of years ahead of us. While certainly there would be tension caused by the canonical issues, I don't think people will stop making pleas to what they perceive as higher powers. I would expect that such a shocking revelation would cause more people to flock to the c…

Yes, but the whole thing about "(insert deity of your choice here) made man in his own image" that seems to be quite prevalent throughout most major religions gets debunked almost immediately if there's some bipedal creature that predates our entire civilization showing up in a hyper-advanced spacecraft. There are no higher powers if someone rolls up being able to do what our current understanding of physics calls ma…

"Surely THIS piece of logic will be the one which topples the concept of Religion"

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by bostonsre »

NickC25 wrote: post #2

Won't happen. Why? The most obvious questions will be asked, and those questions will hurt the financial interests of the powers-that-be. Questions like "how did they get here?" and "what is the energy source that powers these crafts?" Politicians with stock portfolios chock full of Oil&Gas stocks will certainly not want that info seeing the light of day. Same with those who hold defense stocks - all those trillions…

Successful conspiracies seem hard to keep a cap on when they get too big. If this is the first leak of something true related to actual materials, it could spur the few non-evil congressman to dig further and cause further leaks. If this is a true conspiracy and they had complete control, all of this UAP stuff wouldn't have popped up in the media and in congress in the past few years.
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