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The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have some examples of the language seeming boneheaded? Sounds interesting.

Race condition, just edited :) > It will never not irk me when people say ”Please feel free to X” when they mean ”It is paramount that you do X” Another big one is when people say “Not my favorite”, but mean “I hate this”. And a cause of great confusion in the workplace: “Can we do X?” meaning “You should do X, I am delegating this task to you” And then there’s the whole genre of “corporate speak” memes like what “Pe…

Other examples that I have found difficult

1) My wife (native English), when she is asking me to do something , always says "Would you like to...?" eg "Would you like to do the dishes?" To which, the answer for me (English first language, but born and raised in Africa) is "No", because these sorts of chores are things I do in spite of not wanting to do them because I know they are necessary. I've since learned that I actually would like to do the dishes in those cases and perhaps just don't realise.

2) A lot of time when I am leading a team or giving instructions, people from certain cultures get confused because I always ask with the word "Please" eg "Please could you get this analysis to me by close of business so I can work on it tomorrow morning while you're sleeping?". For me that is a very specific and clear instruction, but in some cultures it seems if something is asked with a "please" that means it's a favour rather than an instruction, so will lead to mixed results until we get used to each other.

Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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I've worked with people from a lot of different cultures in various scientific and technical situations, with mostly North Americans in more nebulous "business" situations. What I'd generalize is that on technical matters, there are few communication issues across cultures. People are able to make themselves understood and collaborate, even in the face of language barriers. On the other hand, even simple business dis…

The word ‘done’ can disproportionately mean different things culturally and geographically between average and above average developers.

Done = ready to be used to do what it’s made to do

I’ve lived in many cultures. In what culture, does “done” not mean that?

In some cultures you may lie about it being done, but internally you know what’s being asked and that you’re lying in reply.

Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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Another important difference in business cultures is handling difficult or unachievable requirements. Say you send a work order that needs very tight tolerance in a certain set of holes or a high degree of flatness on a particular surface, and while the company can make the part, they cannot quite fulfill that specific requirement. How each culture handles that situation can vary dramatically, especially outside of t…

A couple of those approaches result in building things that work, efficiently at scale. The rest don’t.

Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race condition, just edited :) > It will never not irk me when people say ”Please feel free to X” when they mean ”It is paramount that you do X” Another big one is when people say “Not my favorite”, but mean “I hate this”. And a cause of great confusion in the workplace: “Can we do X?” meaning “You should do X, I am delegating this task to you” And then there’s the whole genre of “corporate speak” memes like what “Pe…

I thought it was called the California No ? "Oh ya totally let's hang out!!" (you're never gonna hang out) I've lived in LA for over 25 years. I think part of the reason things are like this is that the sheer amount of people here make it hard to know if you are dealing with a person who is going to end up being a nut or not. This town is also full of narcissists and leeches who want to use you. I've let people into…

As someone who has lived in London for a long time and spent a lot of time in NYC, no eye contact (especially on public transport) is a hard and fast "big city quality-of-life" rule. If someone makes eye contact with me on public transport they are almost always crazy, intoxicated or some kind of tourist/visitor.

Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word ‘done’ can disproportionately mean different things culturally and geographically between average and above average developers.

Done = ready to be used to do what it’s made to do I’ve lived in many cultures. In what culture, does “done” not mean that? In some cultures you may lie about it being done, but internally you know what’s being asked and that you’re lying in reply.

In Portugal being done, means that if I need to place a blackboard on the wall and the screws don't fit, most likely we will get some creative solution to still hang the blackboard, consider it done, and if it falls down, no biggie, we hang it up again.

In Germany or Switzerland, in the same situation, you would be told that it is a security issue and it is dangerous to have a blackboard that might fall, to reschedule placing the board to when the proper screws are available. Only then will the blackboard be placed in position and it will only fall if the rest of the building falls as well.

Yes, steorotypes, yet quite real with two quite different kinds of what done actually means.

Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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Reminds me of the book "Kiss, Bow, Or Shake Hands" by Morrison and Conaway.

There are many dimensions of cultural differences and values to navigate, including:

- Physical social distance

- Collective - individualist

- Transactional - social

- Generosity - frugality

- Past-, present-, or future-centric

- Hierarchy - egalitarian

- Blunt - saving face

- Adversarial - cooperative

- Organic - rigid process

Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

#57
related research:

"Talking with tact: Polite language as a balance between kindness and informativity"

Keywords: Politeness; computational modeling; communicative goals; pragmatics

PDF: https://langcog.stanford.edu/papers_new/yoon-2016-cogsci.pdf

"Discussion"

"Why would a speaker ever say something that is not maximally truthful and informative? Communication is often examined from the perspective of successful information transfer from speaker to listener. In the social realm, however, communication also can serve the social function of making the listener feel good and saving her face. We proposed here that intuitively “polite” utterances arise from the desire to be kind (i.e. save face). A cooperative speaker then tries to balance the goals to be kind and to be informative, and produces utterances of varying degrees of politeness that reflect this balance. To test this proposal, we examined inferential judgments on a speaker’s utterance, which was a potentially face-threatening evaluation of the listener’s performance. As we predicted, participants’ inferences about the true state of the world differed based on what the speaker said and whether the speaker’s intended goal was to be honest, nice or mean (Expt. 2). We were also able to predict participants’ attributions of different social goals to speakers depending on how well the literal utterance meaning matched the actual rating the performance deserved (Expt. 3). The model presented here relates to other work done in game-theoretic pragmatics. Van Rooy (2003) uses a gametheoretic analysis of polite requests (“Could you possibly take me home?”) to argue the purpose of polite language is to align the preferences of interlocutors. Our notion of social utility Usocial is similar in that it motivates speakers to signal worlds that make the listener feel good. Van Rooy’s analysis, however, relies on the notion that polite language is costly (in a social way e.g., by reducing one’s social status or incurring social debt to one’s conversational partner) but it’s not clear how the polite behaviors explored in our experiments (not polite requests) would incur any cost to speaker or listener. Our model derives its predictions by construing the speaker utility as a collection of possible goals (here, epistemic and social goals). The speech-acts themselves are not costly. Will machines ever be polite? Politeness requires more than merely saying conventionalized words (please, thank you) at the right moments; it requires a balance of informativity and kindness. Politeness is not an exception to rational communication; it is one important element of rational communication, serving a key social function of maintaining relationships. We extended the Rational Speech Acts framework to include social utility as a motive for utterance production. This work takes a concrete step toward quantitative models of the nuances of polite speech. And it moves us closer to courteous computation—to computers that communicate with tact."

Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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The article has some good examples but the book seems little more than a repackaging of the Hofstede model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstede%27s_cultural_dimensio... These models can be useful but they shouldn't be taken as set in stone, objective descriptions and in a specific situation it is always hard to tell if it is a culture thing or a personality thing.

"The Culture Map" is an American perspective on cultural diversity.

Other models and research exist.

- "Trompenaars's model of national culture differences"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trompenaars%27s_model_of_natio...

Re: The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business

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post #27

I've worked with people from a lot of different cultures in various scientific and technical situations, with mostly North Americans in more nebulous "business" situations. What I'd generalize is that on technical matters, there are few communication issues across cultures. People are able to make themselves understood and collaborate, even in the face of language barriers. On the other hand, even simple business dis…

Unfortunately, technical communication can also bump into cross-cultural challenges. When reading up on international business communication, to prep for one of my roles, one of the writers gave an example of a statement an engineer might make: that widget X will work in time. But you're supposed to know from context, at the times they repeatedly said that, that what they really meant is it definitely won't work in t…

To me the most blatant US-ism is how feedback is biased all the way to positivity to a ridiculous degree. I've learned to understand that if someone from the US says that X is anything less than amazing, then they probably think it's shit.

What's funny about it is that in an environment where everyone is aware of this, the apparent intended effect of sugar-coating doesn't work at all. You'll just hurt people by saying their stuff is okay.

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