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World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by fallingfrog »

I see 3 semi-distinct bands in the data, where there are dense clusters of lines, and gaps in between where the lines are a bit more sparse. It looks to me like the line jumps from the bottom band to the middle band in 1997, then back down, then up again in 2001, and then stays there until 2014/2015 when it jumps up a second time. You can see them better if you remove the mean/+2sigma/-2sigma lines. I wonder the reason for that? Could be I'm just seeing patterns where none exist of course.

Edit: the jumps kind of correspond to moments in time when the solar insolation was on its upswing and the periods when it temporarily slowed kind of correspond to periods when insolation was declining, I think however I'm exceeding my training a bit, perhaps an actual climate scientist could tell us more precisely what's going on.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by semicolon_storm »

ioslipstream wrote: post #12

For an alternate take on this: https://twitter.com/ethicalskeptic/status/166465744222596300... His data suggests that the rate of rise in ocean temperatures can not possibly be due to man made circumstances and is instead due to earth core leakage.

This is such a poor interpretation of the data that it almost seems intentional.

They're cherry-picking an arbitrary year for comparison over an arbitrary time range. There's many years you can select to draw similar bad comparisons. For example, select 2021 & 2015 and look at Feb 28 - March 5. Are you going to believe a sensationalist claim that "90% of SST rise between 2021 & 2015 arrived in 2 weeks"?

Hopefully not, because that's a bad comparison and ignores that temperature fluctuates up and down

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by spacephysics »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #5

It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

I think that’s a bit dramatic and airing on fear mongering. Other comment responses of OP have better sources, but I do not agree the “future is at risk” because of this.

I’m more inclined to closely watch geopolitical events unfold, as US hegemony becomes slowly unstable and potentially untenable.

If climate change were really really as dire as some say it is, we wouldn’t be half-assing our way via renewable energies which don’t have a power grid or power store nearly capable enough to handle a “fully electric future”

We’d be spending more money than the likes of other world powers on proven nuclear energy (unlike Germany who has decommissioned theirs in favor of coal)

I think I read the nuclear waste of nuclear power stations we have today could fit in a big Walmart? That’s an insane amount of energy density. That doesn’t include the potential for nuclear diamond batteries to reuse the spent fuel rods, or other upcoming technologies to reuse the waste.

Don’t get me wrong, we should look into truly renewable energy. But needing vast amounts of rare-earth minerals for solar panels and batteries from China, or nickel and cobalt from child-labor mines in the Congo doesn’t seem to line up with the ethos of “going green”

We should “go nuclear”

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

skrebbel wrote: post #41
_Microft wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, so this is fine ? (No, I do not believe that)

Pretty much yes

Vanuatu might disagree.

In Vanuatu, sea level rise is a very real concept with a number of communities already being inundated during high tides

(2016) ref: https://www.spatialsource.com.au/sea-level-rise-mapping-reac...

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by diordiderot »

adonig wrote: post #34
ioslipstream wrote: post #12

For an alternate take on this: https://twitter.com/ethicalskeptic/status/166465744222596300... His data suggests that the rate of rise in ocean temperatures can not possibly be due to man made circumstances and is instead due to earth core leakage.

It's interesting all the responses below here go full ad hominem.

At this point he mays as well be refuting gravity

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by EGreg »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #5

It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

What I find strange is that people are actively building a zoo for themselves.

The population could have been very happy and rich with around 1 billion people — less garbage, less pollution, less extinction of species, less monocultures and farms, more biodiversity, sustainable resources, and not as much pressure on ecosystems.

But we live on an exological credit card.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by willcipriano »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #47
willcipriano wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But wasn't that always the case? Nope and it isn't the case now. End of the world cults are a common feature of human societies, pretty much all of them have/had them. My personal guess is that egos are so big that people can't imagine a world after them so it's easier to say the world is going to end.

> End of the world cults are a common feature of human societies, The different tech that can make good on the apocalypse are a relatively recent addition to the equation. We've had the ability to lay waste to the planet for just a handful of generations.

Another feature of human end of the world predictions is its always different this time.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by flangola7 »

willcipriano wrote: post #32
hutzlibu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children." But wasn't that always the case? War was always around the corner and nuclear missile threat amplified it. Btw. it seems the war made russia change its stance and some official "scientific" commitee has decided, that climate warming comes simply from radiation inside earth that follows a natural pattern. So no need to not burn coal then.…

> But wasn't that always the case? Nope and it isn't the case now. End of the world cults are a common feature of human societies, pretty much all of them have/had them. My personal guess is that egos are so big that people can't imagine a world after them so it's easier to say the world is going to end.

Yes but climate disaster isn't a cult. There's the crazy guy who thinks Zeus is going to strike us all down and then there's the oceanographer out there with actual thermometers and log books saying hey this water is getting really damn warm.

Will be the end of life on earth? Not at all. Will it be the total extinction of humans? Probably not. Will it be far more war, starvation, death, and human suffering than we have collectively ever witnessed? Yes.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by adrianN »

adonig wrote: post #50
adrianN wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There certainly is no room to discuss them on Twitter. If the Twitter person has real data they should try writing a paper. There are about eight billion people who would love to see the CO2-theory of climate change falsified. They'd be a hero, trillions of dollars of unnecessary investment prevented, everybody rejoices.

> If the Twitter person has real data His data is the data from the website this HN thread links to. He's just pointing out that 32% of Sea Surface Temperature (SST) warming since 1995 arrived in a mere 3 weeks of 2023 and asks the question how that is possible.

Right, and then they propose an alternative theory. Time to collect evidence, perhaps code up a model, compute some errors bars and submit it to peer review. You know, build a case why your theory is better than what we have so far. Right now they have about as much substance as my suggestion with the Lizard people has.
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