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Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Post by gregjor »

deltaninenine wrote: post #45
gregjor wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no layer of indirection. There is no room for someone to lie to themselves. Additionally, the bias for chatGPT is actually in the other direction. Bing search and customer service chatbots, for example, give a layer of indirection. Spam emails, LLM-generated legal briefs and term papers have indirection when the recipients (judge, professor) don't interact directly with the LLM. Since interacting directly…

>Bing search and customer service chatbots, for example, give a layer of indirection There is no layer of indirection you are directly chatting with the AI. You are not having a third party describing his experience with the AI to you. >I argue that too many people already have a bias towards believing ChatGPT/LLMs equals AGI, because the media has primed them to believe that. No point in arguing if you don't have so…

I gave my anecdotal evidence, and the evidence of numerous posts on HN and elsewhere you can easily search for. Or just look at the votes on our comments.

Getting one person to post here with one opinion or another doesn't constitute useful data. It just adds one more anecdote. It looks like no one besides the two of us pay attention to this thread.

In any case I engaged to express my opinion, not to prove you or myself right or wrong in our opinions. Time will tell.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

#52

Post by deltaninenine »

gregjor wrote: post #48
deltaninenine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>doesn't actually happen often enough to care about. That's my entire point. It doesn't happen often enough to care about. Sounds like you have some anecdotal experience of it happening to your entire family and a lot of your friends. I experience the opposite. It has happened to exactly none of my friends and family. We do live in contradictory universes where you experience one thing and I experience another thing.…

I think you misread my first sentence.

No. You just mis expressed your point with a logical mistake.

You wanted to explain why I can't find evidence for the Eliza effect on HN, but you didn't realize that it contradicts your overall point of the effect.

I exploited the flaw to point out the contradiction in your thinking. Your ideas are not logically coherent your following a sort of bias here where you're trying to construct ideas to support your bias.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

#53

Post by morelandjs »

“ChatGPT, a chatbot developed by Sam Altman’s OpenAI and released in November 2022, is a stupendously scaled-up autocomplete. Really, that’s all that it is.”

Stopped reading after this part. To be so intentionally misleading and dismissive of truly miraculous work by the LLM community and the OpenAI team is not for me.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

#54

Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

ETH_start wrote: post #25
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #4

It's crazy to think Sequoia was started by Valentine who invested in so many iconic companies. And now just look at Sequoia. The bottom of the barrel with the worst takes in technology. How much a company can fall.

The best investment calls are on trends that the majority initially dismiss. The mismatch between public expectations and real potential is the source of returns. So they may still be great investors, making calls that you lack the vision to appreciate.

thanks ETH_start. lol.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

#55

Post by deltaninenine »

gregjor wrote: post #51
deltaninenine wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Bing search and customer service chatbots, for example, give a layer of indirection There is no layer of indirection you are directly chatting with the AI. You are not having a third party describing his experience with the AI to you. >I argue that too many people already have a bias towards believing ChatGPT/LLMs equals AGI, because the media has primed them to believe that. No point in arguing if you don't have so…

I gave my anecdotal evidence, and the evidence of numerous posts on HN and elsewhere you can easily search for. Or just look at the votes on our comments. Getting one person to post here with one opinion or another doesn't constitute useful data. It just adds one more anecdote. It looks like no one besides the two of us pay attention to this thread. In any case I engaged to express my opinion, not to prove you or mys…

>Or just look at the votes on our comments.

Votes are a popularity contest. I have a lot of downvotes. So you win the popularity contest. It's fine. Im ok with that.

I'm more going for the correctness contest here. Who's actually right? That's all I care about here.

>Getting one person to post here with one opinion or another doesn't constitute useful data

This isn't true. One person lends data to your case. Why? Because my claim is that nearly all people on HN aren't fooled by chatGPT. So if you say it's so common then just find one.

My claim is that it's so uncommon you can't even find one.

>I gave my anecdotal evidence, and the evidence of numerous posts on HN and elsewhere you can easily search for

I searched for this. I could not find one. You claim it's easily found, so you can win this debate by simply finding one comment that proves your point and link it here. If it's as common as you say then at least one person can be found. This makes sense.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Post by calf »

deltaninenine wrote: post #47
gregjor wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody fully understands these networks. Not even the people who build them. The "experts" admit this. That's repeated a lot but it's not entirely accurate. No one can explain how an LLM gives the answers it does (not even the LLM). LLMs have a vast search space of tokens and use probabilities to make their responses non-deterministic. But the people who build and train LLMs do know how they work -- obviously since…

>That's repeated a lot but it's not entirely accurate. No one can explain how an LLM gives the answers it does (not even the LLM). Uh I literally said no one fully understands these networks. And you go on to say that my statement isn't accurate then confirm my statement by saying: >No one can explain how an LLM gives the answers it does (not even the LLM). I mean this is exactly what I said. We can't explain it... B…

Yeah it's an interesting divide. Two EECS professors actually teaching deep learning said in lecture nobody truly understands anything right now. Then you have many other scientists who call it a stochastic parrot, or super autocomplete. I would love to see a public panel discussion between a bunch of experts in this, see them air out their views.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

#57

Post by ETH_start »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #54
ETH_start wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best investment calls are on trends that the majority initially dismiss. The mismatch between public expectations and real potential is the source of returns. So they may still be great investors, making calls that you lack the vision to appreciate.

thanks ETH_start. lol.

You're welcome :)

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Post by Chuck_Master »

morelandjs wrote: post #53

“ChatGPT, a chatbot developed by Sam Altman’s OpenAI and released in November 2022, is a stupendously scaled-up autocomplete. Really, that’s all that it is.” Stopped reading after this part. To be so intentionally misleading and dismissive of truly miraculous work by the LLM community and the OpenAI team is not for me.

Thats a reference that Sam makes in interviews.

Re: Crypto collapse? Get in loser, we’re pivoting to AI

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Post by [deleted] »

morelandjs wrote: post #53

“ChatGPT, a chatbot developed by Sam Altman’s OpenAI and released in November 2022, is a stupendously scaled-up autocomplete. Really, that’s all that it is.” Stopped reading after this part. To be so intentionally misleading and dismissive of truly miraculous work by the LLM community and the OpenAI team is not for me.

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