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Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by steveklabnik »

rvz wrote: post #47
nabakin wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. They didn't submit a talk or intend to give one 2. They were specifically invited to give a keynote and decided to do so at their request 3. Repeatedly confirmed the topic was ok 4. Put a lot of work into the keynote 5. Told last minute they would not be giving a keynote with no reason I'd be upset. This is not how you treat your community.

That is even worse. But ever since the Rust Foundation was formed there was no 'community', only corporate interests, so actions like this is typical of them. Either way, it seems that the 'Rust foundation' is taking everyone involved downhill. Perhaps the Rust core team are realising very late on the way that the structure of the foundation being a big problem as I said before. [0] Focusing more on 'code' than on th…

The blog post specifically talks about how the Foundation was very normal and reasonable, but the Project was the one being weird and causing problems.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by draw_down »

jasmer wrote: post #39
dahdum wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They reached out to him to give a talk he wasn’t ready to do. He obliges, works to make it happen, and gets blindsided by organizational politics. If he feels the organization and leadership neither respect him personally or his efforts, it’s a perfectly proportionate response. Not sure how I’d react in his exact situation, but once trust and mutual respect are gone, so am I.

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Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by hxugufjfjf »

riceart wrote: post #49
dahdum wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They reached out to him to give a talk he wasn’t ready to do. He obliges, works to make it happen, and gets blindsided by organizational politics. If he feels the organization and leadership neither respect him personally or his efforts, it’s a perfectly proportionate response. Not sure how I’d react in his exact situation, but once trust and mutual respect are gone, so am I.

You realize you are speaking about 2 different people as if they are one?

Most likely not. This whole ordeal is confusing.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by herbstein »

worik wrote: post #31
sergiotapia wrote: post #24

What is it about Rust that attracts so much drama like this? Someone has to do the calculus here. It can't be the sheer number of developers because Rust is still a niche language. Why does Rust have these kind of shenanigans and attract people that either cause these problems or experience these problems? The only other language that comes close is the V language, but that's mostly people shitting on the language (f…

> What is it about Rust that attracts so much drama like this? Any group that aims for inclusivenes, and gets large has the problem. Individuals, especially bright motivated people often get frustrated and a proportion of them do not have the social skills and maturity to avoid tantrums

As an example; John A De Goes, one of the most prolific advocates for Scala and developer and lead of the Zio ecosystem, has announced that he is stopping his advocacy, stepping down from leading the Zio ecosystem, and is going to branch out. A big piece of "drama"/community turmoil that gained exactly one comment on the four posts created for it.

https://degoes.net/articles/splendid-scala-journey

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

fwlr wrote: post #44

My understanding of the situation is this: At the request of Rust Project, JeanHeyd is asked to give a keynote at RustConf. JeanHeyd is reluctant, worried that their topic is too speculative and too much like a proposal for implementing a Rust feature. They ask around and get told it’s definitely ok, please don’t decline the talk, etc. Later, after the talk is prepared, RustConf contacts JeanHeyd to say their talk ha…

Completely unrelated, but as a non native speaker of English I was completely lost in the "their"s, not knowing who they refer to.

Then I realized that JT may prefer to be addressed this way, which is indeed the case according to their Twitter handle.

It is a shame that better pronouns were not promoted in English to simplify the understanding of sentences where they both refer to a single person and a group.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by rsynnott »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #57
fwlr wrote: post #44

My understanding of the situation is this: At the request of Rust Project, JeanHeyd is asked to give a keynote at RustConf. JeanHeyd is reluctant, worried that their topic is too speculative and too much like a proposal for implementing a Rust feature. They ask around and get told it’s definitely ok, please don’t decline the talk, etc. Later, after the talk is prepared, RustConf contacts JeanHeyd to say their talk ha…

Completely unrelated, but as a non native speaker of English I was completely lost in the "their"s, not knowing who they refer to. Then I realized that JT may prefer to be addressed this way, which is indeed the case according to their Twitter handle. It is a shame that better pronouns were not promoted in English to simplify the understanding of sentences where they both refer to a single person and a group.

English is extremely stingy with pronouns in general; beyond singular vs plural they, there's also no proper plural you, no modern informal you (it was 'thou', but that's archaic), no exclusive vs inclusive we, and so on.

Re: I have resigned from all roles in rustlang, effective immediately

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Post by macobrien »

avinassh wrote: post #56

Wait, there are two entities now, Rust Project and Rust Foundation?

The Rust Foundation is the legal entity that owns the trademark, accepts sponsorships, provides grants, etc. The Rust Project is the technical organization that makes decisions about the language and ecosystem.
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