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DARPA’s silent MHD magnetic drives for replacing naval propellers

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Re: DARPA’s silent MHD magnetic drives for replacing naval propellers

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Well, it's claimed to be silent, so probably not. But, I went straight to whales as well, this could be a great option for a quiet whale watching boat.

For a second… for a second, I thought I heard… Singing.

Reverify distance to server. One ping only.

Re: DARPA’s silent MHD magnetic drives for replacing naval propellers

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I agree that an innovation of this magnitude would have a huge impact on naval propulsion if it were publicly available though I’d imagine the tech would be locked down to a ridiculous level. It’s likely destined to only appear in nuclear submarines.

Yeah, no. Once it's known that it's possible to achieve, some enterprising company will quickly replicate it. Unless, of course, it needs unobtainable levels of power.

Well, people are talking about 90% efficiency up-thread. You can't need unobtainable levels of power and still have 90% efficiency, as people move boats around every day.

Also, about the need for a coolant, well, the fixed costs for it are on the order of a few $100/m on most cities nowadays. If people start to use lots of it, the fixed costs will fall to zero. (The variable cost isn't high, but it also doesn't dictate the boat size.)

Re: DARPA’s silent MHD magnetic drives for replacing naval propellers

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> If power and efficiency issues are resolved, My gut feel is that this is a pretty grossly inefficient system by nature. Inducing current in seawater just to give magnetic traction something to push off against seems semi absurd.

Purely-electric devices tend to have this property that if you maximize or minimize something with no clear theoretical limitation, your efficiency grows all the way to 1.

On the case of this, my gut feeling tells me that making the magnet really, really big will do it.

Re: DARPA’s silent MHD magnetic drives for replacing naval propellers

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Do you have a more credible citation? That guy on YouTube seems to be the most common source for this claim and he gets paid for clicks. More mainstream sources don’t seem to think Russia has any particular edge here.

He worked on MHD, he knows what he is talking about, he also worked closely with Russian scientists, not something mainstream media would cover, specially nowadays http://www.savoir-sans-frontieres.com/JPP/telechargeables/En... Anything that'd destabilize a country is generally not publicized by the press, unless it benefits you He started a non-profit, distribute all of his work for free, and pays for translations i…

My post got flagged, so there can't be any more discussion about it, that's unfortunate, but I can understand why, and it make sense, not enough "mainstream" proof, I'll try again once I can find more presentable evidence

Re: DARPA’s silent MHD magnetic drives for replacing naval propellers

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Bay area waters were (are?) used as a naval magnetic silencing range. Most navy ships have degaussing coils that calibrate with magnetosphere https://www.dropbox.com/s/qansmciigewti4n/IMG_2957.JPG?dl=0

Degaussing in a bay is much different from trying to cancel out 20T(!!!) of EM signature

You don’t need to cancel it. Most electromagnetic surveillance systems have detection thresholds (e.g. in radar you have distance gate and return signal filters). Same applies for magnetically activated mines. Reducing the signature below detection thresholds is often enough. Alternatively masking the signature with another signal to confuse the detector also often works well.

EDIT: on second thought, if you can build a device to generate 20T you can probably build a contraption to cancel it out as well. It would most likely boil down to the economics or the scale of the contraption required.

Re: DARPA’s silent MHD magnetic drives for replacing naval propellers

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I wonder if it sounds like whales humping or a seismic anomaly…

Well, it's claimed to be silent, so probably not. But, I went straight to whales as well, this could be a great option for a quiet whale watching boat.

From the whales' point of view, if it is silent it would be great if every boat had it.

1. https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2022/july/underwater-noi...

2. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/12/ocean-of...

3. Woods Hole, 2005: https://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/feature/how-to-see-what-whales-...

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